∇ x E in Cylindrical Cordinates

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The discussion revolves around rewriting the curl of the electric field vector E in cylindrical coordinates, specifically focusing on the determinant form associated with polar coordinates. Participants are exploring the relationship between these coordinate systems and the application of Maxwell's equations.

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  • The original poster attempts to express the curl of E using determinants in polar coordinates, raising questions about the appropriate form and setup.
  • Some participants question the clarity of the coordinate system being used, debating whether the focus should be on cylindrical or polar coordinates.
  • Others suggest looking up the standard expressions for the curl in cylindrical coordinates and clarify the definitions of the coordinate systems involved.
  • There are inquiries about the use of the determinant method for finding cross products and the implications for the problem at hand.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have provided references and suggested starting points for understanding the del operator in cylindrical coordinates. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or the definitions being used.

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Participants note potential confusion stemming from the original poster's reference to polar coordinates while discussing a problem typically framed in cylindrical coordinates. There are also mentions of specific textbook references that may provide additional context or equations relevant to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


I would like to re-write equation according to polar coordinates. ∇ x E = determinant of Polar coordinates. My question is how can i write determinant of polar coordinates?

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Maxwell Equations. (Faraday)

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E(x,y,z)= e(x,y) e^jβz
first e is a vector. ^ means exponantial

x=r.cos(φ)
y=r.sin(φ)

polar coordinates including e(r),e(φ),e(z)
 
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is it true?

1. row i j k
2. row d/dr d/dφ d/dz
3. row e(r) e(φ) e(z)

so where can i use
x=r.cos(φ)
y=r.sin(φ)
 
No. That is not the appropriate form for the curl in cylinder coordinates. You should be able to find the appropriate expression by a simple obline search for ”curl in cylinder coordinates”
 
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İf possible, could you look a book named by Fiber Lasers, Basics Tech and App's. In this book page 12, you will see the equations set in polar coordinates for Maxwell equations.

Maxwell Equations set in polar coordinates:
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My homework is by using Maxwell equations in polar coordinates, to reach this Picture. But i did, what you said. I wrote the determinant. But i could'nt find. Could you use maxwell equations ∇ x E and ∇ x H till this Picture, step by step.

Thanks!
 

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can someone help?
 
This entire thread is VERY confusing.

The title of the thread asked about the curl of E in cylindrical coordinate, which should be trivial to write (https://www.chegg.com/homework-help/definitions/divergence-gradient-and-curl-in-cylindrical-coordinates-2). But then, the body of the thread is asking about polar coordinates and writing its determinant?! It is cylindrical, or is it polar?

And are you asking how for cylindrical coordinates, or spherical polar coordinates? Make up your mind.

And forget about taking the curl of anything. Do you know how to use the determinant method to find the cross product of two vectors in the first place?

BTW, just for reference, this is all math, not physics.

Zz.
 
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can someone help?

in cylindrical coordinates not polar. just book says its in polar coordinates
 
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In my judgment, the easiest way to do this is to start out with the expressions for the del operator and the electric field strength vector in cylindrical coordinates:
$$\boldsymbol{\nabla}=\mathbf{i_r}\frac{\partial }{\partial r}+\mathbf{i_{\theta}}\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial }{\partial \theta}+\mathbf{i_z}\frac{\partial }{\partial z}$$and
$$\mathbf{E}=E_r\mathbf{i_r}+E_{\theta}\mathbf{i_{\theta}}+E_z\mathbf{i_z}$$
So, $$\boldsymbol{\nabla}\boldsymbol{\times}\mathbf{E}=\mathbf{i_r}\boldsymbol{\times}\frac{\partial \mathbf{E}}{\partial r}+\mathbf{i_{\theta}}\boldsymbol{\times}\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial \mathbf{E}}{\partial \theta}+\mathbf{i_z}\boldsymbol{\times}\frac{\partial \mathbf{E}}{\partial z}$$So, what do you get for ##\frac{\partial \mathbf{E}}{\partial r}##, ##\frac{\partial \mathbf{E}}{\partial \theta}##, and ##\frac{\partial \mathbf{E}}{\partial z}##?
 
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