XRD limitation in detection of a second phase with low amount

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The discussion revolves around the limitations of X-ray diffraction (XRD) in detecting fine precipitates formed during the heat treatment of an alloy. Participants explore the reasons for the undetectable peaks related to these precipitates and consider alternative X-ray methods and techniques for their detection.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the undetectable peaks are due to the small size or low content of the precipitates, seeking clarification on XRD's limitations.
  • Another participant suggests that if the second phase is poorly crystallized or amorphous, it may not produce a significant signal.
  • A participant confirms that the second phase is crystalline but notes the absence of expected peaks, prompting inquiries about potential solutions.
  • It is mentioned that the signal-to-noise ratio affects peak visibility, with smaller domains potentially diminishing the signal and broadening peaks over a larger range.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of using slower measurements or synchrotron radiation as alternatives to improve detection.
  • One participant notes that XRD may not detect very small quantities of a phase, and background radiation can obscure peaks, suggesting the use of specific software to reduce background noise.
  • Another participant proposes using scanning electron microscopy (SEM) for identifying precipitates, sharing a personal research experience related to detection limits in a different context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the reasons for the undetectable peaks and the effectiveness of various detection methods. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the best approach to detect the precipitates.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the crystallinity of the second phase, the size and volume fraction of the precipitates, and the potential interference from background radiation in XRD measurements.

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I have performed heat treatment (aging) on my alloy. In this process fine precipitates form in the matrix of the alloy, which strengthen the alloy.

However, XRD spectrum could not show the peaks related to the fine precipitates.

1- Why the peaks are not detectable? Is it because of the very small size of the precipitates? Or, is it because of their low content? What is the X-Ray method limitation in detecting a phase?

(I would appreciate it if you also introduce a reference, because I need to mention it in my paper)

2- What solutions and especially what other X-ray methods can help in detecting the precipitates? Can "small step scan XRD" be helpful in this respect?

Thank you :)
 
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If the second phase is poorly crystallized or amorphous, you won't get much signal. What do you know, exactly, about the second phase.
 
The second phase in totally crystalline. We know the approximate position of the peaks (= the related 2teta) in XRD spectrum. We detected no such peaks in those positions, however. What can we do?
 
Signal to noise ratio will determine whether you see a peak (assuming the material is present). Signal will be proportional to the volume fraction of the phase present. If the domains are small (< ~300 nm), the signal will be diminished and broadened over a larger 2-theta range. The differential xray absorption behavior of the alloy and precipitate will also play a role in the relative signal.

XRD generally does not have robust lower detection limits. TEM would allow for direct characterization of the precipitates.
 
You can try performing slower measurements and if that does not help either, you can also try using synchrotron radiation.
 
XRD does not detect the presence of very small quantity of phase even though it is present in the materials.

Sometimes the peak is there, but get clouded with background radiation. This maybe due to the intensity of the peak is too low. In certain XRD software (X`pert Highscore Plus), you can remove/reduce the background radiation.

Alternatively, you can use SEM to identify the precipitate, but I never done that before.

My research involves the addition of MgO into Al2O3, the presence of Al2O3 only detected when the amount of MgO reach 0.9 wt %. The result is here - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925838810005347.

Hope it helps.
 

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