Your Experience: Is knowledge mainly a function of time?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between time spent on learning and the effectiveness of that learning, particularly in the context of physics and programming. An undergraduate shares their experience of gaining knowledge through extensive manual searching while troubleshooting programming issues, leading to a question about whether immersion in material, even if unfocused, can enhance understanding of physics. Responses emphasize that physics requires active engagement, such as problem-solving, rather than passive reading. It is noted that focused efforts yield better learning outcomes, as opposed to merely spending time with the material. The conversation highlights the importance of actively working through problems and tutorial sheets in physics to facilitate deeper understanding, contrasting it with the more straightforward learning process often found in programming. Overall, the key takeaway is that effective learning in physics is driven by active participation and problem-solving rather than passive immersion.
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Hi PF,

I am an undergrad who recently started getting much more involved in his research (basically I am a HEP code monkey). Anyways, most of the technological aspects of the work were completely unknown to me, I started from scratch. And I found that, looking for the answer to one glitch, I'd spend many hours pouring through manuals and that process actually gave me a lot more knowledge of the general processes/program than when I'd tried to "learn" it earlier. I am guessing this is due to the higher time I was exposed to the manual searching for specific answers...

So I am wondering, is knowledge mainly a function of time, and immersion? Will I learn actual physics better also if I spend unfocused hours immersed in the text? Not looking to memorize the knowledge or really do anything with it, but just sit with it for longer amounts of time? Do we learn simply as a function of time spent in immersion or what other factors play a big role?

Thanks,
DoD
 
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DukeofDuke said:
what other factors play a big role?
I'd say that it depends on how focused you are when you do it. Most are more focused when they are solving problems than when they are just reading a text without any specific goal.
 
DukeofDuke said:
Will I learn actual physics better also if I spend unfocused hours immersed in the text?

No, physics cannot be learned passively like that, since its a subject where learning is not the same as remembering. Spending a lot of time with a history book passively may lead to some knowledge of history, but in physics you have be actively engaged in thinking things out, working problems etc.
 
dx said:
No, physics cannot be learned passively like that, since its a subject where learning is not the same as remembering. Spending a lot of time with a history book passively may lead to some knowledge of history, but in physics you have be actively engaged in thinking things out, working problems etc.

Agreed.

The situation you describe with programming, however, is very common. I guess it happens because when you want to find the answer to something, you have a higher level of focus than when you're just looking at manuals without relevance. This is the same situation that exists when solving problems in physics: the key message? answering problems and doing tutorial sheets is the way to learn. :-p
 
fasterthanjoao said:
Agreed.

The situation you describe with programming, however, is very common. I guess it happens because when you want to find the answer to something, you have a higher level of focus than when you're just looking at manuals without relevance. This is the same situation that exists when solving problems in physics: the key message? answering problems and doing tutorial sheets is the way to learn. :-p

The only thing with this is, generally problem sets get rushed. You scope the book for the answers, but don't have time to actually think about the equations...whereas in simpler coding there's not much to learn but convention. Problem sets, though, are a time bomb and no one gets to spend as much time thinking about the ideas as they thought they would.
 
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