Zp[x]/(x^2 + 1) is a field iff p is a prime p ≠ 1 (mod 4)

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the quotient ring Zp[x]/(x^2 + 1) forms a field, specifically focusing on the implications of the prime p being congruent to 1 or 3 modulo 4. Participants explore the reducibility and irreducibility of the polynomial x^2 + 1 over Zp, examining both theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Some participants assert that Zp[x]/(x^2 + 1) is a field if and only if p is a prime and p = 3 (mod 4), while others suggest it is a field if p = 4m + 1.
  • There is a discussion on the need to prove that Zp-{0} is a cyclic group under multiplication mod p.
  • Participants debate the application of Lagrange's theorem and its implications for cyclic groups, with some emphasizing the necessity of proving that certain elements have specific orders.
  • One participant notes that while Fermat's theorem indicates that the order of elements in Zp* divides p-1, it does not guarantee that the order is exactly p-1.
  • Another participant proposes that if p = 4k + 1, then the cyclic group structure implies the existence of elements of order 4, leading to the conclusion that x^2 + 1 is reducible.
  • Conversely, if p = 4k + 3, the absence of a subgroup of order 4 suggests that x^2 + 1 is irreducible.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions under which x^2 + 1 is reducible or irreducible, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Participants highlight the importance of proving intermediate steps and the limitations of applying certain theorems without thorough justification. The discussion also reflects on the dependence of conclusions on the specific properties of cyclic groups and their orders.

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I am stuck on this proof.

Zp[x]/(x^2 + 1) is a field iff p is a prime p = 3 (mod 4)

We're assuming p is odd, so p is either 4m + 1 or 4m + 3.

==>/ let Zp[x]/(x^2 + 1) be a field
I need to find that x^2 + 1 is reducible if p =4m+1

I can see it for Z5, Z13, Z17 for instance but I don't seem to be able to generalize it. Any advice.

<==/ if p = 3 (mod 4), we must show x^2 + 1 is irreducible over Zp

I assume otherwise, then x^2 + 1 = (x+a)(x+b)
gives me, ab ≡ 1 (mod p)
a+b≡ 0(mod p)

where should I go after this?

Thanks
 
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there are some "intermediate steps" you should prove first:

Zp-{0} is a cyclic group, under multiplication mod p.

if k divides the order of a cyclic group G, then G has a subgroup of order k.
 
Deveno said:
there are some "intermediate steps" you should prove first:

Zp-{0} is a cyclic group, under multiplication mod p.

if k divides the order of a cyclic group G, then G has a subgroup of order k.

let me try. the second part is a direct application of Lagrange.
 
Deveno said:
Zp-{0} is a cyclic group, under multiplication mod p.

Should I use Fermat for this part?
 
no, not really. it's a special case that ONLY holds for cyclic groups. Lagrange's theorem says this: if H is a subgroup of G, then |H| divides |G|. Lagrange's theorem does not guarantee that if k divides the order of G, G has a subgroup of order k. for example S5 is of order 120, and 30 divides 120, but S5 has no subgroups of order 30 (or of order 15, for that matter).

but this IS true, if G is cyclic (and you should PROVE this! it's bad mathematics to just take people's word for stuff. i could be lying, or i could just have "woke up stupid" today, and be giving you bad advice).

(a hint: if G = <g>, and |G| = n, and k divides n, so that gn = e, what is the order of g(n/k)?).

proving that (Zp)x is cyclic, is a bit trickier (but still important!).

Bachelier said:
Should I use Fermat for this part?

Fermat only shows that the order of the elements of (Zp)x divide p-1, you need to show that one of them actually HAS order p-1.
 
Deveno said:
Fermat only shows that the order of the elements of Zpx divide p-1, you need to show that one of them actually HAS order p-1.

Well isn't like you said, a in Zp)* has order k is ak \equiv 1 (mod p)

so per Fermat, a\Phi (p) \equiv 1 (mod p), hence for all a in
Zp)* a has order p-1 since \Phi (p) = p-1
 
no, we only know that for a ≠ 0 in Zp, that ap-1= 1 (mod p).

we don't know that some smaller number won't work, rather than p-1.

for example, consider (Z13)x.

clearly 312 = 1 (mod 13).

but 33 = 1 (mod 13) so the order of 3 is NOT 12.

i'll give you a push in the right direction: consider how many elements of order d, where d|(p-1) you must have. add these up, for every divisor d of p-1. how many elements is that?
 
can we also say, let a in Zp*
consider <a> = { 1, a, a^2, ...}
since <a> belongs to Zp*, then order <a> divides p-1 the order of Zp*
hence |<a>|= p-1
hence for all a, |<a>|= Zp*
 
Deveno said:
no, we only know that for a ≠ 0 in Zp, that ap-1= 1 (mod p).

we don't know that some smaller number won't work, rather than p-1.

for example, consider (Z13)x.

clearly 312 = 1 (mod 13).

but 33 = 1 (mod 13) so the order of 3 is NOT 12.

got it. thx
 
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to continue, suppose d|(p-1).

IF we have an element a in Zp of order d, we can look at <a>.

what other elements of <a> have order d? ak, where gcd(k,d) = 1.

that's φ(d) elements, right?

isn't it true that:

p-1 = \sum_{d|(p-1)} \phi(d) ?
 
  • #11
Deveno said:
to continue, suppose d|(p-1).

IF we have an element a in Zp of order d, we can look at <a>.

what other elements of <a> have order d? ak, where gcd(k,d) = 1.

that's φ(d) elements, right?

isn't it true that:

p-1 = \sum_{d|(p-1)} \phi(d) ?

I get it, but where are we going with this?

How do I prove that if p is congruent to 1 mod 4, that the field Z* mod p contains elements with order 4?
 
  • #12
ok, so if we add up all the elements of order d, we get φ(d) of them (can't have more because if a is of order d, then all the elements of <a> are the d solutions to
xd-1 = 0, so that's all there is, and can't have less, since every element of (Zp)x has SOME order).

so we actually have φ(p-1) generators of order p-1 (although we only needed 1 to show that (Zp)x is cyclic).

but...if (Zp)x is cyclic and p = 4k+1, then p-1 = 4k, we have a cyclic group of 4k, which means we have a subgroup of order 4 (since 4 divides 4k), which is cyclic, so we have an element of order 4.

and such an element of order 4 satisfies x2 + 1 = 0 (so x2+1 is reducible, see?).

on the other hand, if p = 4k+3, then p-1 = 4k+2, and 4 does NOT divide 4k+2, our group is still cyclic, but cannot have a subgroup of order 4 (by Lagrange, finally we can use it), so cannot have an element of order 4, and thus x2+ 1 = 0 has no solutions, so it is irreducible (no linear factors).
 
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Thank you Brother. I truly did learn a lot from your explanations.
:)
 

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