News Has America Forgotten the Crimes of Torture?

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The discussion centers on the moral and legal implications of torture practices at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, as highlighted in the film "Torturing Democracy." There is a strong sentiment that key figures in the previous administration, including the President and Vice President, should face accountability for their roles in these actions, which are equated to war crimes comparable to those committed by the Nazis. The conversation emphasizes a collective failure to recognize the humanity of detainees and critiques the lack of justice for those responsible, noting that resignations of officials like Rumsfeld and Gonzales do not equate to true accountability. The expectation is expressed that future leadership must rectify these injustices and uphold moral and legal standards, reinforcing the idea that the nation must confront its own complicity in these actions.
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Having seen the film "Torturing Democracy"--a film documenting the cruelty inflicted upon detainees of Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib--I am made to wonder: how is it that the President and Vice President, among others in their administration, have not yet been incarcerated themselves? Impeachment would be a slap on the wrist.

Nobody cares about prisoners. We overlook their humanity when we want vengeance. But whether these men, whom have been tortured, are guilty of some terrible crime or not, what have we become ourselves in treating them as such?

The officials who have propagated this use of torture are absolutely no less guilty of war crimes than the Nazis of World War II.

And while I realize that this information is relatively old news now, watching it really puts things in perspective.

If you haven't seen this yet, here is a link to information about it, as well as the first segment of the film...

http://www.torturingdemocracy.org/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzjF1gubaBw Seriously, I believe that whoever becomes President this January has a moral obligation to rectify this horrible licensing of torture; and to hold those accountable to the highest measure of authentic law.

I don't believe in Capital Punishment, and certainly not in torturing another person; but no man should ever be allowed to get away with this degree of cruelty. This is a disgrace that our country will never live down. And the absolute least that we can do is to fine and imprison the leadership that is responsible.

Rumsfeld resigned. And Gonzales resigned. But that still isn't justice.

Surely, just as the surviving Nazis during the Nuremberg Trials had claimed that they were only following orders; I'm sure that if either of these two men were actually put on public display (a la OJ, circa 1994), then they would agree that they were only following orders too. Cheney and Bush both need to be held accountable, if for nothing else, then for hiring such inhumane incompetents.
 
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FrancisZ said:
The officials who have propagated this use of torture are absolutely no less guilty of war crimes than the Nazis of World War II.

Given that we prosecuted Nazis for this very crime, there can be no doubt about it. It shows how far this once great nation has fallen.

We have met the enemy, and they are us.
 
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