Internal Energy During Phase Changes

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The discussion revolves around the concept of internal energy during phase changes, specifically focusing on the melting of ice and the vaporization of water. Participants are exploring the relationship between temperature, internal energy, and the First Law of Thermodynamics in the context of isothermal processes.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster questions whether the change in internal energy during phase changes is zero, given that temperature remains constant. They reference the First Law of Thermodynamics in their reasoning.
  • Another participant suggests that while internal energy does increase during melting, this energy is used to break chemical bonds rather than to increase temperature.
  • A further contribution clarifies that for ideal gases, internal energy is temperature-dependent, but for other phases, it also involves interactions between particles.

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Participants are actively exploring different interpretations of internal energy during phase changes. Some guidance has been provided regarding the distinction between ideal gases and other phases of matter, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's misunderstanding.

Contextual Notes

There appears to be some confusion regarding the application of the First Law of Thermodynamics to isothermal processes, particularly in the context of phase changes. Participants are questioning assumptions about ideal gas behavior versus real substances.

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I know that phase changes, such as the melting of ice, occur at constant temperature. Doesn't this imply that the change in internal energy during the phase change is zero, since the temperature remains the same? I thought that in all isothermal processes this was the case, so that the First Law of Thermodynamics becomes:

dU = dQ + dW
0 = dQ + dW
dQ = -dW

However, according to my textbook solutions, dU is not zero. Am I misunderstanding something? Thanks in advance!
 
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A thought to add...
During melting does the internal energy increase, but the increase goes towards breaking chemical bonds, rather than increasing the temperature of the substance? So dU is nonzero after all, even though it is an isothermal process?

The way I'm thinking about it now is that dU = 0 is true for all isothermal processes, except for isothermal phase changes.

Thanks.
 
No. For ideal gasses, internal energy is dependent only on temperature. For other phases of mater, where you have interactions between particles, the internal energy depends on temperature and other factors.

For the vaporization of water, here's the picture. In water, water molecules form a are interacting with each other, forming hydrogen bonds, breaking them and forming new hydrogen bonds with other water molecules. In the gas phase, however, the water molecules are isolated and do not interact with each other. Therefore, in order to go from the liquid phase to the gaseous phase, you must first break apart the intermolecular hydrogen bonds between water molecules. Therefore, when boiling water (or similarly when melting ice), the heat that flows into the material goes toward breaking these intermolecular bonds instead of increasing the kinetic energy (temperature) of the material.
 
Ah, thank you Ygggdrasil. I don't know why I was treating water as an ideal gas :blushing:
 

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