Is \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3} + \sqrt{5} irrational?

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The discussion centers on proving that the sum \(\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3} + \sqrt{5}\) is irrational. The proof begins by assuming the sum is rational and derives a contradiction by showing that it leads to an irrational expression. The key argument is that the term \(4x^3\sqrt{5}\) remains irrational, conflicting with the rational nature of the left-hand side of the equation. The conclusion drawn is that the initial assumption must be false, confirming that \(\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3} + \sqrt{5}\) is indeed irrational. The proof appears valid, although further exploration of the equation is suggested for completeness.
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Homework Statement



Is \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3} + \sqrt{5} rational?

Homework Equations



If n is an integer and not a square, then \sqrt{n} is irrational

For a rational number a and an irrational number b,

a + b is irrational
a * b is irrational if a is not equal to 0

The Attempt at a Solution



Assume that \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3} + \sqrt{5} = x, with x being a rational number.

\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3} = x - \sqrt{5}
=> (\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3})2 = (x - \sqrt{5})2
=> 2 + 2\sqrt{6} + 3 = x2 - 2x\sqrt{5} + 5
=> 2\sqrt{6} = x2 - 2x*\sqrt{5}
=> (2\sqrt{6})2 = (x2 - 2x\sqrt{5})2
=> 24 = x4 - 4x3*\sqrt{5} + 20x2

- 4x3*\sqrt{5} is irrational because 4x3 is rational.
x4 - 4x3*\sqrt{5} + 20x2 is thus irrational.

The left hand side of the equation is rational, as 24 is a rational number.

This is a contradiction, thus our assumption was false, x cannot be a rational number.

\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3} + \sqrt{5} is thus irrational

Is this a valid proof, or should the equation be worked out further?
 
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Skimming it, the proof looks good.
 
I looked at some threads on the internet, but worked the equation out to an eighth degree equation, so I wasn't sure this way was actually correct. Thanks a lot!
 
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