The Energy of a Multiparticle System

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The discussion centers on proving that the kinetic energy (KE) of an electron in a circular orbit around a proton is equal to -1/2 times its potential energy (PE), as per the virial theorem. Participants suggest using the relationship between the inward Coulomb force and centripetal acceleration to derive the kinetic energy. There is some confusion about applying the virial theorem, as it has not been covered in class, leading to requests for guidance. Suggestions include focusing on the circular nature of the orbit and manipulating the equations for force and acceleration. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify concepts and assist with understanding the problem.
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Homework Statement



Consider an electron (charge -e and mass m) in a circular orbit of radius r around a fixed proton (charge+e). Remembering that the inward Coulomb force ( ke^{2}/r^{2}) is what gives the electron its centripetal acceleration, prove that the electron's KE is equal to -\frac{1}{2} times it's PE; that is, T = -\frac{1}{2}U and hence E = \frac{1}{2}U. (This result is a consequence of the so called virial theorem. Now consider the following inelastic collision of an electron with a hydrogen atom: Electron number 1 is in a circular orbit of radius r around a fixed proton. Electron 2 approaches from afar with kinetic energy T_{2}. When the second electron hits the atom, the first electron is knocked free and the second is captured in a circular orbit of radius r'.

Homework Equations



coulomb force : ke^{2}/r^{2}

virial theorem T = nU/2




The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not really worried about the second part of this problem quite yet. Right now I'm not really sure how to go about proving that the kinetic energy is -\frac{1}{2} times the potential energy... can someone get me started on the right track?
 
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You could use the virial theorem! :p

It's been a while since I've done this but I'm pretty sure it's just a case of writing down the kinetic and potential energies and then stating the correlation.
 
haha sorry I know it probably seems obvious but we haven't even had the virial theorem mentioned in class. So I'm not really sure how to use it? :/ but I'll try to figure it out
 
Don't worry, the virial theorm is part of action based lagrangian mechanics, you probably haven't encountered it.

You should use the fact that the orbit is circular, that is to say that r doesn't change.
So try playing about with the equation for the inwards force and the outwards centripital (centrifugal? I can't never remember which is the outwards pushing one)
a_{outwards} = \frac{v^2}{r}
a_{outwards} + a_{inwards} = 0

See if you can work out the kinetic energy from that then see what happens when you compare it to the potential energy
 
I still can't get this. I'm sorry I'm just slightly frustrated with this and now it's late haha can I just get an explanation for this :/ I'm struggling in this class right now
 
I've been given warnings for being too overzealous with my hinting so I'll try my best to help without giving you the answer


Mod note: removed overzealous answer[/color]
 
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Thank you so much! This really helps a lot :)
 
no problem buddy!
 
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