What is the dimension of the spacetime interval?

[neutrino]

Just what the title says. In the book Spacetime Physics, by Taylor and Wheeler, the time coordinate is measured in metres of light-travel time, but that's just a roundabout way of saying that they are using the second...or am I missing the point.

 

[neutrino]

Ok...it took me sometime to realize that ds^2 = c^2dt^2 - dx^2 - dy^2 - dz^2 that has the dimensions of length . But now another question came up...why length? Isn't spacetime a a union of space and time. Even if we divide the whole expression by c^2, we get a dimension of time only.

 

[George Jones]

But now another question came up...why length? Isn't spacetime a a union of space and time. Even if we divide the whole expression by c^2, we get a dimension of time only.

Yes. In the first case, everything can be considered to be measured in units of length, e.g., metres, where 1 metre of time is the time taken for light to travel a distance of 1 metre, and, in the second case, everything can be considered to be measured in units of time, e.g., seconds, where 1 second of distance is the distance traveled by light in 1 second of time.

Most relativity books use the former, but I have seen the latter used. In cosmology the latter is often used, i.e., (light)years and years.

Regards,
George

 

[neutrino]

Yes. In the first case, everything can be considered to be measured in units of length, e.g., metres, where 1 metre of time is the time taken for light to travel a distance of 1 metre, and, in the second case, everything can be considered to be measured in units of time, e.g., seconds, where 1 second of distance is the distance traveled by light in 1 second of time.

Most relativity books use the former, but I have seen the latter used. In cosmology the latter is often used, i.e., (light)years and years.

Yes, I realize that. I'm just wondering why this quantity (ds²), which says something about the unity of space and time does not have a dimension made up of a combination of length and time.

 

[robphy]

Yes, I realize that. I'm just wondering why this quantity (ds²), which says something about the unity of space and time does not have a dimension made up of a combination of length and time.

The quantity involved in ds² that "unifies" space and time (namely, the speed of light) has the dimensions of "length/time".

Similarly, the quantity that "unifies" momentum and energy has the dimensions of "momentum/energy".

 

[neutrino]

The quantity involved in ds² that "unifies" space and time (namely, the speed of light) has the dimensions of "length/time".

Similarly, the quantity that "unifies" momentum and energy has the dimensions of "momentum/energy".

Thanks...now it's all clear.

 

[Ich]

Isn´t "Spacetime Physics" exactly the book where they start with the example of length in northern direction has different units than length eastwards, despite both describe the same thing?

 

[neutrino]

Isn´t "Spacetime Physics" exactly the book where they start with the example of length in northern direction has different units than length eastwards, despite both describe the same thing?

Yes, that's the one. I especially like their spacetime-first approach.

 

[George Jones]

Isn´t "Spacetime Physics" ...

This is the book from which I first learned special relativity. Great book.

I recommend also "A Traveler's Guide to Spacetime: An Introduction to Special Relativity, which is the book from which I lifted the accelerometer that I used in the "A falling object" thread.

Regards,
George

 

[robphy]

This is the book from which I first learned special relativity. Great book.

I recommend also "A Traveler's Guide to Spacetime: An Introduction to Special Relativity, which is the book from which I lifted the accelerometer that I used in the "A falling object" thread.

Regards,
George

Here are some useful supplements for Moore's book:
http://www.physics.pomona.edu/faculty/prof/tmoore/tgerrors.html
http://www.physics.pomona.edu/sixideas/sicpr.html (see "unit R")

 

[Ich]

Yes, the book is a good one (maybe pete would disagree https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=737202&postcount=20").
And their point is: c is simply an arbitrary conversion factor from time units to length units. "meter" and "second" are two units where you need only one. Comparable with inches and meters. Two units for the same thing.
The difference between time and space is then not the units, but the metric (-1 1 1 1 instead of 1 1 1 1).