Use Conservation of Momentum or Conservation of KE for spring problem

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In the spring problem involving two masses, the key focus is on understanding the conservation laws applicable to the system. The masses have different magnitudes, with one being three times greater than the other. It is clarified that the question pertains to the kinetic energy and momentum of each mass individually, rather than their combined totals. The discussion emphasizes that since the system is closed and perfectly elastic, both kinetic energy and momentum should remain conserved. However, participants note that the masses have not yet collided, which affects the application of these conservation principles.
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Homework Statement



The system shown above has a spring attached to two masses. Mass I is 3 times greater in mass than Mass II. The spring is initially stretched and let go to allow the two masses to approach each other. Which of the following is the same for both masses?
a. speed
b. velocity.
c. acceleration
d. kinetic energy
e. magnitude of momentum

Homework Equations


Conservation of momentum
conservation of energy


The Attempt at a Solution


I know it's not the first three, but I'm not sure if you use the conservation of momentum or the conservation of energy for this problem
 
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Try proving each one and post what you get here.

What would cause momentum to be lost?
 
Screen said:
Try proving each one and post what you get here.

What would cause momentum to be lost?

But this is a closed system. Since no energy is lost or gained and this is a perfectly elastic collision, wouldn't both KE and momentum remain the same afterwards?
 
brainyasian said:
But this is a closed system. Since no energy is lost or gained and this is a perfectly elastic collision, wouldn't both KE and momentum remain the same afterwards?

Try writing it mathematically.

The problem is asking about the kinetic energy and momentum of each mass, not the combined total.
 
Screen said:
Try writing it mathematically.

The problem is asking about the kinetic energy and momentum of each mass, not the combined total.

but doesn't KE(M1) = KE(M2) because of conservation of mass and doesn't M(A)V(A) = M(B)V(B) make momentum equal?
 
brainyasian said:
but doesn't KE(M1) = KE(M2) because of conservation of mass and doesn't M(A)V(A) = M(B)V(B) make momentum equal?

Read the question carefully; they haven't collided yet.
 
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