Collision and Friction: Theoretical Q with Practical Implications

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around modeling the collision response of a mass point approaching a plate at an angle, considering the coefficient of restitution and friction. It questions whether the collision response can be simplified to inverting the normal velocity and applying the coefficient of restitution, or if friction must also be accounted for due to the forces exerted during the impact. The participants note that if the mass point bounces without sliding, energy loss due to friction may not occur, as displacement is zero. They reference literature on impact mechanics for deeper insights and consider the potential energy storage in springs between mass points. The conversation highlights the complexity of accurately modeling collision dynamics in physics.
Simon666
Messages
93
Reaction score
0
Theoretical question with practical implications (trying to model yarn as mass points connected with spring systems and need to get collision response with objects right):

A mass point approaches a plate under an angle. You have the coefficient of restitution β and the friction coefficient μ. You know the initial speed v of the point and can decompose it in normal component vN and tangential component vT to the surface.

What is the collision response of the mass point?

Just inverting the sign of vN and multiplying with β?

Or is there also a friction response since technically the surface and mass point exert forces on each other in an infinitely small amount of time, so an impulse reaction, and I also need to add -μ*vN to the tangential component or something?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Not really my field. Whole books are written on impacts, Google books suggests "Impact Mechanics" By W. J. Stronge

If the mass points bounce off without sliding over the surface then I don't think any energy is lost due to friction (work = force * displacement but the displacement is zero?).

So I think you just need to use the normal component of the velocity and the coefficient of restitution to work out the normal component of velocity after the impact.

Page 97 appears to discuss this...

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...oefficient of restitution at an angle&f=false

Edit: However having read that bit again ... Can the springs between the point masses store energy?
 
I have recently been really interested in the derivation of Hamiltons Principle. On my research I found that with the term ##m \cdot \frac{d}{dt} (\frac{dr}{dt} \cdot \delta r) = 0## (1) one may derivate ##\delta \int (T - V) dt = 0## (2). The derivation itself I understood quiet good, but what I don't understand is where the equation (1) came from, because in my research it was just given and not derived from anywhere. Does anybody know where (1) comes from or why from it the...
Back
Top