Hanging Cable (Projectile Motion?)

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The problem involves a hanging cable and its motion under the influence of gravity, specifically focusing on how the length of the cable hanging over the edge of a table changes over time. The subject area relates to concepts in mechanics and projectile motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the cable, including gravity and the implications of neglecting friction. There are attempts to derive equations of motion and clarify the use of mass in calculations. Questions arise regarding the treatment of mass on the table versus the hanging portion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the forces involved, and there is an ongoing clarification of concepts related to mass and acceleration. However, no explicit consensus has been reached on all points.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the cable is perfectly flexible and that the sections remain straight during motion. The problem also involves specific parameters such as the length of the cable and the gravitational constant.

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Homework Statement


A perfectly flexible cable has length L. Initially, the cable is at rest, with a length x_0 of it hanging vertically over the edge of a table. Neglecting friction, compute the length hanging over the edge after a time t. Assume that the sections of the cable remain straight during the motion.


The Attempt at a Solution


I figured that I could take a reference point, that being the very tip of the cable hanging over the edge. Since friction is neglected the only force on the cable is gravity. If I take the table edge to be x=0 then the position of the tip of the cable over the edge will also give the length of cable behind it hanging. So then it should simply be x = x_0 + \frac{1}{2}gt^2 but the book lists the answer as x = x_0 cosh (\sqrt\frac{g}{L} t). I have no idea where to even start. Please help.
 
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Assume the linear density, that is, mass per unit length is d. The weight of the hanging portion is dxg, which is moving the whole mass of the chain. The accn of the whole chain is the same at time t. So,

dxg = Md^x/dt^2. Now, solve.
 
Outstanding! Thanks for the help. I've gotten the solution though I have one last question.

When describing the force on the portion of cable on the table why is the mass M used d*L and not d*(L - x)?
 
I've never taken into account the force on the mass on the table separately, because the whole mass, the mass on the table and the hanging portion both, is moved with the same accn by the weight of the hanging portion only.

So, where you have to write mass*accn, it's the whole mass M=d*L.
 
Okay, thank you very much. It all makes sense now.
 

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