Earth Underground Temperature: Hot or Cold?

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The discussion centers on the underground temperatures of celestial bodies, specifically Venus and Titan. It establishes that the average surface temperature of Venus is 461°C, which extends to 20 feet underground, while Titan's underground temperatures are significantly lower, around -180°C due to its icy composition. The conversation highlights the concept that underground temperatures tend to stabilize and approximate the yearly average temperature above ground, regardless of surface conditions. Additionally, it raises the possibility of liquid water existing underground despite extreme surface temperatures, referencing ongoing NASA explorations on Mars.

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I was just thinking about how the temperature on Earth at a certain depth is always a certain temp even when it is cold or hot out. On a planet, or moon like say Titan or venus, what would be the temperature say 20' or so underground? Also, if extreme temperatures on the surface won't permit liquid water, couldn't there still be liquid water underground?
 
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When I had a soils courses eons ago, the idea about temperature was this: the temperature near the surface (say less than 10') will change with the seasons. As you go down it begins to approximate the yearly average temperature above ground.

The average surface temperature of Venus is 461C. So at 20' down, if there are soils present, then that's the temperature there. Much hotter than your kitchen oven.

Ditto Titan. Except the Huygens probe seems to show that "soils" there are made of water ice and methane ice, and possibly clathrates. So the temoperature must be below the freezing point of methane - which has to be well below -161.1C the boiling point of methane. About -180C or -292F is what I can find quickly.
 
Depends on the mineralogy of the depth at question and its pressure. Perhaps there is a geothermometer that could answer your question, may be the best way to go. As for the water question, I suppose that is why the nerds at NASA are still sending probes to mars. Here on earth, at least, there are places where water does not exist (but for vapor) on or above the surface but certainly below, like a desert.
 

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