Calculating the Net Force of Sun & Moon on Earth

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net gravitational force exerted on Earth by the Sun and the Moon during different lunar phases: New Moon, Full Moon, and First Quarter Moon. Participants are exploring the gravitational interactions and their effects on tidal forces.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the gravitational forces from the Sun and Moon using the universal gravitational formula but expresses uncertainty about how to combine these forces based on the lunar phases. Other participants suggest drawing diagrams to visualize the relative positions of the Earth, Sun, and Moon and discuss how these positions affect the forces.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the gravitational interactions during different lunar phases. There is a recognition of potential misinterpretations regarding how to combine the forces, particularly in the context of the New Moon and Full Moon phases. The discussion remains open, with no clear consensus yet.

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Some participants question whether the calculations correctly account for the squared distance in the gravitational formula, indicating a need for clarification on the application of the formula in this context.

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Tides are created by the gravitational attraction of the sun and moon on Earth. Calculate the net force pulling on Earth during a)New Moon b)Full Moon c)First Quarter Moon.
Mass of the Moon: 7.35 x 10^22 kg
Mass of the Earth: 5.98 x 10^24 kg
Mass of the Sun: 1.99 x 10^30 kg
Distance from the Earth to the Moon: 3.84 x 10^8 m
Distance from the Earth to the Sun: 1.50 x 10^11 m
Universal Gravitational Constant (G): 6.67 x 10^-11
F=Gmm/d²I solved for the force of Sun on Earth
F=(6.67 x 10^-11)(1.99 x 10^30)(5.98 x 10^24)/1.5 x 10^11 = 5.29 x 10^33

And Moon on the Earth
F=(6.67 x 10^-11)(7.35 x 10^22)(5.98 x 10^24)/3.84 x 10^8 = 7.63 x 10^28

I don't know where to go from there, I think finding the solution has to do with where the moon is facing and maybe it's the difference from the distance of the sun? help me please
 
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Draw a digram with the relative positions of the earth, sun and moon.
think about how the forces form the sun and moon add
 
There was a picture on my worksheet. I thought that during New Moon the Sun and moon act together on Earth so I added my answers 5.29 x 10^33 + 7.63 x 10^28=5.29 x 10^33.
For Full Moon I subtracted because I though the sun and moon were working in opposite forces
5.29 x 10^33 - 7.63 x 10^28=5.29 x 10^33...I get the same answer?? misinterpreting?

For Quarter since it looked half and half on the image, I divided the sum by 2.
5.29 x 10^33/2= 2.645 x 10^33. I'm still lost.
 

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A new moon (dark) is between the Earth and sun so their gravity combines
A full moon (bright) is opposite the Earth from the sun so it pulls in the opposite direction
A half moon is 90 deg ahead of the earth
 
I did not get that forces - did y square the distance or not?
 

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