Is It Overprotective to Limit a Partner's Friendships?

[Mentallic]

A few months back my girlfriend said she's become good friends with this guy that isn't very social. He keeps to himself mostly and as such, she is one of the only friends he has. Now from my experience when it comes to a guy and girl becoming the best of friends in a short period, and spending a lot of their time together, the bond becomes strong because one of them has feelings for the other. And more than often, these feelings are kept discrete enough so that the other is oblivious to what is happening.

Well, my girlfriend is oblivious. I came out straight with her and told her not to spend so much time with him because I had a hunch that he has feelings for her. She of course said I was being ridiculous and whatever.

A few weeks later he starts asking her to go to the city with him. Just them two as friends. Well this is how she saw it anyway... I didn't let her, and thankfully she understood.

Eventually he let's it out and says that he likes her. When speaking to me about it she wanted to start ignoring him but at the same time cherished the friendship they had. I didn't like the idea of it and thought a friendship that has lasted just one month wasn't enough for any serious attachments and so she should be able to let him go. Well apparently not. I instead agreed to her proposal to stop interacting with him as much, and declining any "friendly" dates.


Fast-forward to a few weeks ago which should put it around 2 months later. I was over her place and while she was showing me stuff on her facebook I noticed how often this guy appeared to be chatting to her again. I checked her phone and while there were only a few inbox messages from him, there were a whole lot more outbox messages to him. Obviously she had deleted selected texts from her inbox.
But she says she deleted them because I would get angry with it. Well, she's right about that.

A few moments later while logged onto her msn he came online and started talking to her. Since I had control of the computer, I read his greeting and did something else to try and ignore it. I was furious...
If that wasn't enough, he started drawing pictures on msn and sending them to her. Quite the artist he is, I give him that. But to see how much effort he was putting into it for my girlfriend, and while having noticed he asked her to go to the city with him pushed me over the edge.

I went off at him. Amongst all the raging, I do remember him saying I should stop being so territorial and that I had won, she likes me and not him, so I should let it go. What really annoyed me is that yes if I weren't at all territorial then I'd be allowing him to step all over me and that would basically be saying, sure, try wow my girlfriend all you can, she is fair game and the best man wins. The fact that he also said that I win clearly indicates he was challenging me for her, which as far as I have seen, doesn't happen all that often amongst already established couples. But when it does, fists break loose.

This time I enforced that she most definitely can't talk to him any more. She has to ignore him completely etc. etc.
She still feels guilty about it and feels that same attachment for the friendship she felt months earlier. This is when she said that I should stop being so jealous about her and other guys.

Am I really being over-protective here? I feel I have a right to act the way I did, but it probably depends on each person's opinion on the topic.

By the way, I am pretty certain that she's completely faithful to me and we love each other dearly, so if she is to have any reason to say that I'm being too jealous about this, it's because she wouldn't cheat on me.

 

[TMFKAN64]

I didn't let her, ...

I checked her phone ...

I was furious...

This time I enforced ...

Am I really being over-protective here? I feel I have a right to act the way I did, but it probably depends on each person's opinion on the topic.

Why don't you just chain her in the basement and be done with it? That, or get some counseling for your anger and control issues.

 

[Mentallic]

Then tell me what you would do in this situation. Play out my part. Go on...

 

[TMFKAN64]

If you are certain she is faithful to you, why on Earth would you care who she is talking to? If she wants to be just friends with this guy, I don't really see why that would be any of your business. Even if the guy wants to be more than friends... you should be subtly encouraging her to see him as pathetic and needy, not acting all jealous, controlling and competitive.

EDIT: You are letting this guy become a wedge between the two of you. You don't want her to hide her contacts from you, but that's what you are teaching her to do.

 

[TMFKAN64]

Let me put it another way. If I were the other guy, I would be *thrilled* with your behavior. Do you really want that?

 

[rewebster]

until she sees something in that other guy that is bad enough to break it off with him, she will keep (and increase) the relationship because she sees something that's enticing her--

--oh, and don't blame him---she's the one that has the wandering mind

 

[Huckleberry]

Brachiating boyfriends. It happens all the time. She knows he is pursuing more than friendship and she still sees him. Then she lies about it, or at least covers it up. After enough time developing their relationship, when she knows if she wants to make the switch, then she says your anger and jealousy have pushed her away. If she chooses not to go for him then you're just imagining things.

If she wants to be with him then tell her to go. She owns your emotions right now. It's time to start taking them back until she decides where she wants to be. Don't reward her behaviour or punish her for it.

 

[Char. Limit]

She can't let him go. So you have to let her go. She's cultivating a relationship with him, while she has one already with you. And if you try to bring it up, she'll tell you you're jealous and overprotective. You're know the one with issues in this realtionship... she is.

 

[BobG]

This is a great world for her. All these guys in love with her, if she can just keep everyone under control.

You go off on him and her, you create a nice little Romeo and Juliet scenario, where it's them against a world that just can't understand them.

I guess you could just stay with her no matter what other guys she runs around with, but I wouldn't. You're just hanging around for her to make her decision and maybe it turns out to be you and maybe it turns out to be him. I wouldn't want to waste that much time.

She should make her decision now. If it's not you, then at least you find out as soon as possible.

Personally, I'd make my decision and dump her.

 

[lucylouisa]

It is hard to label your actions as "over-protective" when in theory you shouldn't have this problem at all. you need to remind her that you love her and that you are just worried about losing her. she needs to remember why she was in this relationship in the first place.

However you can't "enforce" that she "most definitely doesn't see him any more" because that will just drive her away - the last thing anyone wants to feel is trapped and controlled.

In actual fact your girlfriend is being totally unfair on the other guy - what chance does he have of finding someone else and being happy when he is in love with her? By allowing for him to keep wooing her she is giving him no chance of moving on.

I'm sorry that that gives you no direct answer - just more things to think about..

 

[Antiphon]

Men and women cannot be friends. They can have relationships that appear platonic but there is always a sexual component.

My advice to you is to express your needs to her with respect. When she disregards your completely reasonable needs in this area, dump her. She's not the one for you.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

When ever a male and female are friends there is most likely some physical attraction there. It does not necessarily mean anything. I have a wonderful lady friend I have known for years. I am definitely attracted to her, as well as other female friends of mine, and nothing has ever happened between us.

You need to trust her and if you can not then you ought not be with her. Either she is not someone trustable, and so you should not be with her, or you have trust issues and will only hurt both of you emotionally to maintain a relationship without trust. Even if she decides to stop talking to this guy the trust issue will not go away, it will still be there.

So trust her and stay with her or distrust her and break it off. Once you have taken care of this consider the obsessed other man her problem, and not yours. Give her advice as a man who has perhaps been in the same situation as this guy or knows someone who has. Otherwise let her deal with her problem on her own. If you get the impression that more is going on than ought to be then leave her. If she leaves you for him then she really was not someone worth being with anyway.

 

[Moonbear]

You're not being over-protective...you're being possessive! If I had a friend with a boyfriend like you're describing yourself here, I'd tell her to RUN and I'd be seriously concerned for her safety in such an abusive relationship.

Why do you feel you have the right to tell her who she can or cannot be friends with? The only friend of hers you have control over her being friends with is yourself, and that's because you have the choice to not be friends with her if you aren't happy with her choices.

Let's see, who would I pick, the nice, quiet shy guy who sends me sweet pictures, or the one "enforcing" this or that, and telling me I couldn't do this or that? Yeah, I'd pick the quiet one too.

You said the main issue is this other guy just doesn't have a lot of friends. So, you're demanding your girlfriend not be friends with him either? It never occurred to you that maybe you could just join them rather than forbid her to see him? If you've suggested you all hang out together and she's refused, THEN you have some reason to be jealous that perhaps her interests are drifting. If that happens, all you really can do is step down and start looking for another girlfriend.

Now, this is all my reaction based on how you've described things here. You may not have actually acted as harshly as it comes across in writing, but I'm telling it quite bluntly so you can be aware of how it's coming across in case you really are acting that way.

I don't know if you're doing it because you're jealous, clingy, possessive, afraid of losing her, or are actually genuinely concerned for her safety with this other person for some reason (maybe he's giving off "creep" vibes, and it's not jealousy, but worry). None of this I can tell by reading online what you've written. If it's a case where you're sensing some sort of "creep" vibe, and that's why you've used the word "over-protective" to describe your concerns about your behavior, then you really don't want to do things that are going to push your girlfriend to keep her interactions with this fellow secret.

You can let her know you really don't like the guy, or don't get a good feeling about him, but instead of forbidding her from being his friend, say you'd rather she not spend time with him alone, for her safety. You could join them, or you could ask her to invite another of her friends along, whichever she preferred. Leave the final decision as hers, not yours. You can only share your feelings and concerns and suggest some precautions, otherwise you will just push her away and into his arms.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Let's see, who would I pick, the nice, quiet shy guy who sends me sweet pictures, or the one "enforcing" this or that, and telling me I couldn't do this or that? Yeah, I'd pick the quiet one too.

I've actually known plenty of women who would prefer the later. This could even theoretically be a test to see what he will do, whether or not he will put his foot down like she expects him to. Not likely I do not think but still possible. At the same time he can be strong and assertive without being controlling. His possessive reactions may come off as weak; being stoic may come off as strong.

And you made me think of something. She may be spending time with this new guy because she sees something in him that she does not get from Mentallic. A problem between them may already exist and she is looking for something to fill that thing that is perhaps lacking, in which case he is almost certainly pushing her away with his behavior. He may want to talk to her about this guy and figure out what the attraction is to see if maybe this guy is doing something for her that he is not.

 

[Char. Limit]

...or, she's just cheating on him because she can (such people do exist), and he should get out of the relationship anyway. It happens...

Just remember this quote that a scriptwriter once wrote: "It's the honest ones you've got to watch out for, because you never know when they'll become dishonest," or something along those lines.

 

[Mentallic]

Thanks for all your input. The problem I see so far is that while the majority here are saying I'm being too possessive and jealous and I should have instead done this rather than that, I've already done it. What would be the best approach to fixing this? I'm willing to change for the best and constructive criticism is what helps me most of all in doing so.

Moonbear it seems as though you've summed up everything in your post. I'll point to just one section though:

If it's a case where you're sensing some sort of "creep" vibe, and that's why you've used the word "over-protective"

The reason this guy doesn't have many friends is because of this. She told me her main reason for not being comfortable with breaking off the friendship the first time is because she's not sure what he would do to himself. He has a history of being suicidal. He's what you would describe as being an emo. I'm uncomfortable with people that choose to be a part of this social status because I find them to be so unpredictable and honestly kind of screwed up in the head if they're going to be doing this to themselves.

At first when I was subtly implying that she should see him less often, I had no idea what kind of person he was. I still don't. I suppose in a way I didn't want to leave it in between "yes you can still be his friend" and "no you can't" because then he would still have the freedom to do as he wished but also he might be hastier in trying to move forward. I don't see much of a difference in a guy pulling moves on my girlfriend when they're out alone, or if I were in another room at a party. Either way it's disrespectful to me and I won't be giving him the opportunity to try it. This is why I decided on the spot that I'd rather her not see him at all than allow him to try get as close to her as he wishes.

She may be spending time with this new guy because she sees something in him that she does not get from Mentallic.

They enjoy the same music which is hard to come by as it's punk. They also both have low esteem at times, so yes, they do connect well on an emotional level. We are different in that aspect.

 

[BobG]

Fast-forward to a few weeks ago which should put it around 2 months later. I was over her place and while she was showing me stuff on her facebook I noticed how often this guy appeared to be chatting to her again. I checked her phone and while there were only a few inbox messages from him, there were a whole lot more outbox messages to him. Obviously she had deleted selected texts from her inbox.
But she says she deleted them because I would get angry with it. Well, she's right about that.

Let's see, who would I pick, the nice, quiet shy guy who sends me sweet pictures, or the one "enforcing" this or that, and telling me I couldn't do this or that? Yeah, I'd pick the quiet one too.

I guess it depends on how many sweet pictures he's sending each day. There really isn't enough info to know how often the two of the them are talking/texting/etc.

How many "sweet pictures" do friends send each other each week, or do they usually do that on a daily basis? How many texts do they usually send each other each day? (That might be quite a bit considering how much time young people spend texting people.)

 

[DanP]

st-forward to a few weeks ago which should put it around 2 months later. I was over her place and while she was showing me stuff on her facebook I noticed how often this guy appeared to be chatting to her again. I checked her phone and while there were only a few inbox messages from him, there were a whole lot more outbox messages to him. Obviously she had deleted selected texts from her inbox.
But she says she deleted them because I would get angry with it. Well, she's right about that.

You have no business looking into her private correspondence. If you are so insecure that you have to check her phone's inbox, you have a problem. If you get angry easily on her that's another problem. Its possible that she deletes her messages exactly because you are overbearing and aggressive and you do check her correspondence and so on. In a word, you suffocate her.

Jut to make sure you understand, you are not protective of anyone but yourself here.

Move on and find another women who doesn't make you angry, and which you don't feel an obsessive need to control.

By the way, I am pretty certain that she's completely faithful to me and we love each other dearly, so if she is to have any reason to say that I'm being too jealous about this, it's because she wouldn't cheat on me.

Life is full of cheated boyfriends/girlfriends who are always ready to swear on the faithfulness of their partner.

 

[DanP]

I guess it depends on how many sweet pictures he's sending each day. There really isn't enough info to know how often the two of the them are talking/texting/etc.

Actually, I think moonbear talks exactly about what I am trying to talk about, not the quantity of pictures and ****, but about the guy's compulsive need to control and check her private correspondence. You don't need to be quantitative here.

 

[Pyrrhus]

This is a tough one. I'd say is hard not to be suspicious if they are hanging out so often. Even friends don't hang out that often!. I think just let them be, and if you spot cheating, break it off. Food for thought, She's probably not worth your time if she prefers to spend most of her time with him rather than you.

 

[GeorginaS]

Fast-forward to a few weeks ago which should put it around 2 months later. I was over her place and while she was showing me stuff on her facebook I noticed how often this guy appeared to be chatting to her again. I checked her phone and while there were only a few inbox messages from him, there were a whole lot more outbox messages to him. Obviously she had deleted selected texts from her inbox.
But she says she deleted them because I would get angry with it. Well, she's right about that.

Okay, first off. You're invading her privacy. If you feel the need to monitor her text messages on her phone, then there are more issues in this relationship than this particular guy. And the biggest issue is you. Anyone inspecting my phone texts and questioning me about them would last about another 30 seconds in my life. You're not her mom. She's (presumably) not a child. That you go prying into her private things speaks more to your insecurities and inappropriate responses to them than to anything else. Your sense of entitlement to invade every corner of her life indicates a pretty toxic relationship. Not good. I'd re-think my behaviour if I were you.

This time I enforced that she most definitely can't talk to him any more. She has to ignore him completely etc. etc.

Okay, I suspect maybe there's a language barrier here. Is English your first language? Because you're coming across with either some strange usage of English or you're a controlling person. In either case, I'm going to assume that your girlfriend is a capable adult. If so, you have absolutely no business whatsoever "enforcing" who she can and cannot talk to. What you're telling us is that you invade her privacy and try to control and bully her.

If she doesn't leave you, maybe you'd want to do yourselves both a favour and leave her. Or talk to a professional who can help you sort through boundaries and how to treat a partner with respect, because I don't hear any of that from you here. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm trying to tell you something important from the vantage point of distance and experience. Rampant insecurity that leads you to read the texts on her cell phone, check her computer usage, and "enforce" your demands that she not talk to someone is all inappropriate, unhealthy adult relationship behaviour.

"yes you can still be his friend" and "no you can't"

Again, the problem is not "the guy" and what type of person he is. If he's actively harming your girlfriend and she can't see it, then take steps to demonstrate to her how that's going on. Meantime, your thinking that it's perfectly okay for you to make proclamations about whether or not she "can still be his friend" or not is more of a problem than the guy. I'd be taking a long look at myself if I were you.

Sorry for being so direct.

 

[98whbf]

you're not being over protective at all. your girlfriend is an attention seeking whore. personally i would dump her and find a better/more loyal/less slutty girl.

 

[GeorginaS]

you're not being over protective at all. your girlfriend is an attention seeking whore. personally i would dump her and find a better/more loyal/less slutty girl.

That was some special-kinda name calling.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

I strongly agree with those who say "full stop" at the point where you invade privacy. Golden Rule.

 

[rootX]

If I were:

1) girl:
I would break up with over passive bf who tells me what I should do and avoid excessive (annoying*) messages from other boy.

2) other boy:
I wouldn't go for a girl if she is in a relationship.

3) OP:
I would just break up as it is getting too much of BS and annoying

 

[IcedEcliptic]

If I were:

1) girl:
I would break up with over passive bf who tells me what I should do and avoid excessive (annoying*) messages from other boy.

2) other boy:
I wouldn't go for a girl if she is in a relationship.

3) OP:
I would just break up as it is getting too much of BS and annoying

Better #3, as number 1 leads down a bad road for some men.

 

[magpies]

This is why I don't date...

 

[98whbf]

Okay, first off. You're invading her privacy. If you feel the need to monitor her text messages on her phone, then there are more issues in this relationship than this particular guy. And the biggest issue is you. Anyone inspecting my phone texts and questioning me about them would last about another 30 seconds in my life. You're not her mom. She's (presumably) not a child. That you go prying into her private things speaks more to your insecurities and inappropriate responses to them than to anything else. Your sense of entitlement to invade every corner of her life indicates a pretty toxic relationship. Not good. I'd re-think my behaviour if I were you.



Okay, I suspect maybe there's a language barrier here. Is English your first language? Because you're coming across with either some strange usage of English or you're a controlling person. In either case, I'm going to assume that your girlfriend is a capable adult. If so, you have absolutely no business whatsoever "enforcing" who she can and cannot talk to. What you're telling us is that you invade her privacy and try to control and bully her.

If she doesn't leave you, maybe you'd want to do yourselves both a favour and leave her. Or talk to a professional who can help you sort through boundaries and how to treat a partner with respect, because I don't hear any of that from you here. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm trying to tell you something important from the vantage point of distance and experience. Rampant insecurity that leads you to read the texts on her cell phone, check her computer usage, and "enforce" your demands that she not talk to someone is all inappropriate, unhealthy adult relationship behaviour.



Again, the problem is not "the guy" and what type of person he is. If he's actively harming your girlfriend and she can't see it, then take steps to demonstrate to her how that's going on. Meantime, your thinking that it's perfectly okay for you to make proclamations about whether or not she "can still be his friend" or not is more of a problem than the guy. I'd be taking a long look at myself if I were you.

Sorry for being so direct.

if anyone needs to see some sort of therapist it is his girlfriend. she's obviously the one with boundary issues and clearly doesn't understand what it means to be in a relationship. I've met these types of girls before, and like most she probably has some pretty severe step father issues. my advice to the op is to move on and forget asap.

 

[GeorginaS]

if anyone needs to see some sort of therapist it is his girlfriend. she's obviously the one with boundary issues and clearly doesn't understand what it means to be in a relationship. I've met these types of girls before, and like most she probably has some pretty severe step father issues. my advice to the op is to move on and forget asap.

Step father issues? How about we stick to, oh, I don't know, what we've been told?

 

[rootX]

Adding to all above, I think the third person should also see a therapist
I love these threads!

 

[lisab]

Maybe the step father needs to see a therapist, too...? Might get a good group rate.

But seriously Mentallic, this doesn't sound like a healthy relationship at all.

You shouldn't be putting up with the crap she's doing, and she shouldn't be putting up with the crap you're doing.

Perhaps you two need a break from each other for a couple months, re-think things a bit.

 

[Char. Limit]

Maybe the step father needs to see a therapist, too...? Might get a good group rate.

But seriously Mentallic, this doesn't sound like a healthy relationship at all.

You shouldn't be putting up with the crap she's doing, and she shouldn't be putting up with the crap you're doing.

Perhaps you two need a break from each other for a couple months, re-think things a bit.

Good advice.

 

[DaveC426913]

Mentallic, IMO, the issue here is between you and your girlfriend.

She is pursuing a relationship with a boy who is admittedly interested in a romantic relationship with her.

You could get angry, which will drive her way and make her defensive, and put you exactly where you don't want to be, which is on the outs with her, or you could talk with her about why she needs to pursue a romantic relationship with someone other than you.

 

[Mentallic]

She wasn't seeing him because she is seeking a romantic relationship with him (from here on out, I'm going to be saying what I suspect, and of course I'm not speaking out of certainty), but she is seeing him because she wants a friend that has a common interest in her choice of music and clothing. Also, the "they're seeing each other a lot" was that they're seeing each other all the time at school. I see her outside of school.

Girls are clueless when it comes to noticing blatantly obvious signs that a guy likes them. The guys usually do a pretty good job at keeping it subtle though so I don't blame her. I just don't want to have a guy hitting on her when they're out alone together.

Seriously, he's already gone there and said he likes her, and now with all this talking again, no matter how much she believes he doesn't like her in that way anymore I refuse to believe he can quickly get over her completely and keep it that way while still spending plenty of time at school with her and now trying to extend this to seeing her outside of school.

She's been clueless before about guys going after her. She had one of her closest friends from primary school tell her he likes her and she never saw that coming either.

Anyway I already told her she can see him. Some of you might see this as the right move (other than breaking up), I see it as backing down, but whatever...

And at the guy that asked about English being my second language, wtf? Of course, maths is my first language duh

 

[magpies]

Ok honestly you screwed up... You shouldn't have let her know you don't like the guy or that he might like her. So right now the only way your gona save this is to get her to ask the guy if he likes her and in what way. She probably values your relationship more then his so if the guy acts like a retarded monkey and he will... He will say you ya I love you babe... At this point she will have to make a choice to either leave you or him. Your betting on him getting the boot and honestly a prayer might help at this point. If it works she won't be his friend anymore as she will think he's just trying to get in her pants. If it doesn't work you don't need her around anyhow. If you can get her to ask him questions even you wouldn't want to answer it's all the better but that comes with risks also.

 

[Huckleberry]

The romantic relationship isn't the cause. It's the effect. She may not be looking for it, but he is. She may develop romantic feelings for him. Since you say she has low self-esteem I find this even more likely.

I don't see this as telling your girlfriend whom she can or cannot be friends with. It's just a bad idea to be friends with someone who is romantically interested in one, when one has decided to be committed to another. No matter how it ends, someone gets hurt. Right now it is her actions that decide the outcome. Maybe that is why you feel like you are backing down, because you have given up all control of your relationship to her.

There is more than one person to consider when making decisions in a relationship. Adding other romantic partners/rivals is an important relationship decision. This guy she wants to be friends with is clearly a rival. She needs to be aware of that when deciding whom to be friendly with.

You went about gaining control wrong; anger, jealousy, invasion of privacy. It sends the impression that you want to manipulate her actions directly, like a puppet on strings. It would also be wrong to be nicer than usual to her to try to win her affection. That is submissive. You gain control by controlling yourself. If you question her commitment then withdraw your affection until she can be trusted. If your affection has value to her then she will seek it. If not, then she will go elsewhere and you can go about finding a new girlfriend. There is give and take in a relationship, like a dance. All you can do is lead, and she has to choose to follow.

If you don't question her commitment then get a grip on yourself. That would be your own insecurity.

 

[DanP]

If you don't question her commitment then get a grip on yourself. That would be your own insecurity.

Even if he does question her commitment, first thing he should solve its own issues.

 

[DaveC426913]

She wasn't seeing him because she is seeking a romantic relationship with him

That's not what I'm saying.

He wants a romantic relationship. She does not, true, but she is inviting trouble.

Tht not really the point I'm trying to make though. The point is that you need to engage her conciliatorily, not adversarily. Communicate with your love, not with your anger.

 

[DanP]

That's not what I'm saying.

He wants a romantic relationship. She does not, true, but she is inviting trouble.

None of us know what she wants. Not even the OP IMO. The point is, she is free to do with her life as she see fit. She is free to make friends with whoever she wants, or bed whatever man she chooses, even if he is suicidal. Some girls like to save man in distress:PI won't even go as far to say that the OP should communicate with love. He should make known what he considers acceptable for him in a relationship and what not, gently but firmly. If his requirements are reasonable, (i.e, no idiotic stuff like let me check your phone, control your life and so on) and she choose to turn a blind eye on them, the OP should just bail out and seek another relationship. She is not that much into him anyway. This doesn't say anything about her, like the laughable remarks that she is a "attention whore", except that the OP failed to captivate her attention.

Some(most) relations, when they go down the drain, does not worth saving. The differences will just resurface after a time, humans have a very high inertia to psychological change. Its better just to move on. **** always comes back. Even phase III marital counseling, more often than not, it's just a therapist helping the two individuals cope with the idea that they will separate, and the separation anxiety. It seldom succeeds in solving the couple's problems.

 

[DaveC426913]

None of us know what she wants. Not even the OP IMO. The point is, she is free to do with her life as she see fit.

"I am pretty certain that she's completely faithful to me and we love each other dearly,..."

I think there's an assumption that they currently have a committed, exclusive relationship.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

"I am pretty certain that she's completely faithful to me and we love each other dearly,..."

I think there's an assumption that they currently have a committed, exclusive relationship.

That also sounds like something worth making a loving attempt to save, if one is mature enough to do so and accept that it may fail. That being said, this does sound like a relationship in its "walking ghost" phase, but that is still no reason to ignore an attempt to communicate. Even if it fails in this case, it may help you later in life to have learned to communicate in a mature and kind fashion, accepting what each other truly needs and wants.

 

[DanP]

"I am pretty certain that she's completely faithful to me and we love each other dearly,..."

I think there's an assumption that they currently have a committed, exclusive relationship.

Sure, I agree with you, but out in the wild the reality is that many couples will drag to death an half-assed relation, instead of just terminating it. The consequence is that they grow apart slowly, each seeking different options, and it's kinda unpractical to assume what the other one really wants in those conditions. The rules of the game has already changed, and one of the partners may not even be aware of it. (i.e how much she really loves him)

But my point is, it's also irrelevant. What is relevant is what you yourself want from the relationship, and whatever or not the current arrangement works for you. From a practical point of view, is very unimportant the reason she chooses to spend more time with another man: whatever she makes love to that guy every day or just talks about soul immortality and Disney cartoons has the same effect on the relationship ultimately; distance. Just the forms of expression are different. In either case, she is not so interested in the neglected man. And in most cases, there is also no one to blame. It just didnt worked out.

The OP should just think whatever it works for him or not. And certainly, his obsessive controlling behaviors don't help the situation. Living with a pathologically jealous person is no picnic.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

DanP, DaveC, you seem to agree more than you disagree, if you don't mind me saying so.

 

[Moonbear]

She wasn't seeing him because she is seeking a romantic relationship with him (from here on out, I'm going to be saying what I suspect, and of course I'm not speaking out of certainty), but she is seeing him because she wants a friend that has a common interest in her choice of music and clothing. Also, the "they're seeing each other a lot" was that they're seeing each other all the time at school. I see her outside of school.

I see no harm in that. But, does it mean you and she do NOT share a common taste in music and clothing? That by itself really is no big deal, and happens all the time. Though, even if the two of you have somewhat different tastes, do you not share those with each other?

Girls are clueless when it comes to noticing blatantly obvious signs that a guy likes them. The guys usually do a pretty good job at keeping it subtle though so I don't blame her. I just don't want to have a guy hitting on her when they're out alone together.

Really? Sadly, this is speaking more toward your views about women than it is about the reality of whether women notice when a guy likes them (in more than a "just a friend" kind of way).

Seriously, he's already gone there and said he likes her, and now with all this talking again, no matter how much she believes he doesn't like her in that way anymore I refuse to believe he can quickly get over her completely and keep it that way while still spending plenty of time at school with her and now trying to extend this to seeing her outside of school.

Isn't that mostly his problem? If she isn't interested in him, you have nothing to worry about, no matter what he feels about her. If she's oblivious to his desires, all the more indication she's content with the relationship she already has.

She's been clueless before about guys going after her. She had one of her closest friends from primary school tell her he likes her and she never saw that coming either.

It happens to everyone sometimes. It doesn't mean it's a pattern or a character flaw. Read the other threads around here and you'll see it happens to members of both sexes.

Anyway I already told her she can see him. Some of you might see this as the right move (other than breaking up), I see it as backing down, but whatever...

That's my worry, that you see it as "backing down" and feel like you are the one to give permission to see him, as if you control her. She is the one who decides who she does or doesn't see. It's not a sign of a good relationship if one partner is granting permission of what the other can do.

You really seem to have control issues. This just doesn't bode well for a healthy relationship.

 

[Mentallic]

That's not what I'm saying.

He wants a romantic relationship. She does not, true, but she is inviting trouble.

Tht not really the point I'm trying to make though. The point is that you need to engage her conciliatorily, not adversarily. Communicate with your love, not with your anger.

Thanks Dave, I'll try to change my attitude.

I see no harm in that. But, does it mean you and she do NOT share a common taste in music and clothing? That by itself really is no big deal, and happens all the time. Though, even if the two of you have somewhat different tastes, do you not share those with each other?

We didn't at first. She likes black, I like metro, she prefers guitar solos and screamo, I enjoy hip hop and R&B. But over the passed few months it hasn't stayed that way. We've still made an effort to try acknowledge each others tastes though.

Really? Sadly, this is speaking more toward your views about women than it is about the reality of whether women notice when a guy likes them (in more than a "just a friend" kind of way).

Yes this is my views towards women, no, girls actually. Too often have they been completely ignorant of what is going on around them with guys. They just don't understand that guys don't flirt with girls in public in a very obvious way if they're not attracted to them. It just doesn't happen...

You really seem to have control issues. This just doesn't bode well for a healthy relationship.

She's tried to change for me so "she can be prettier for me", and I would do the same.

But what I can't quite understand is how the majority of everyone's views here are saying that I should be letting her see him how she sees fit. Yes, as friends, but when it's obvious the guy doesn't want just that, I shouldn't be controlling and let her go out with him anyway?
I just can't wrap this around my head...

Having guys check out my girl is fine, flattering even, but not when they take it that much further where they're trying to spend alone time with her.

 

[DaveC426913]

Yes this is my views towards women, no, girls actually. Too often have they been completely ignorant of what is going on around them with guys. They just don't understand that guys don't flirt with girls in public in a very obvious way if they're not attracted to them. It just doesn't happen...

Yes, and guys are never clueless...

 

[Mentallic]

And yes I've already taken into account that I should be making my feelings known and that I'm uncomfortable with her being this close to him, without enforcing anything directly.

We have come across similar situations in the past and I did exactly that. She would obey my wishes because she agrees with me.

The only difference here is that she truly believes he doesn't like her any more. But let's look at the facts:
He liked her a few weeks earlier, and that only lasted for a week or so by his claims
He expressed his feelings towards her shortly after they started being close friends. It's as if he couldn't hold them in any longer.
Now they're starting to be close friends again, what if he chooses to "express his feelings" again on this outing?

I'll give you another scenario. You and your partner are at a party, and one of your friends comes up to you and tells you that some guy likes your girl. Well this stuff happens so you wouldn't really do anything about it, but then your girlfriend comes up to you and says that this guy has been hanging out with her half the night and they've become friends, and now he wants to take her into in a room to talk quietly.

Do you let her go?

 

[Mentallic]

Yes, and guys are never clueless...

Since guys are easy to see through but girls always see all their flirty advancements as friendly playing, yes guys aren't clueless with these situations while girls are.

I'm not saying guys aren't clueless, I've had a few instances where I find out months later that this girl likes me and I honestly had no idea, but right now I'm talking about girls being clueless when it comes to guys liking them, and guys being less oblivious to this stuff.

 

[Evo]

Hi Mentallic, I certainly understand how you feel and I agree with your concern that your girlfriend continues to be so close to a guy that has admitted he wants her. To me, she should, out of consideration for your feelings, either break off completely with this other guy or at the very least keep contact with him to a minimum.

It's not like this guy is a lifelong friend of hers. If she had already had this relationship with him when you two started dating, then it would be different, you would have had the opportunity to decide if you wanted a third wheel in your relationship. You didn't agree to this kind of thing. Am I correct?

 

[Mentallic]

Evo, I think you're the first person to be on my side in this thread. Thank you

Yes that's right, I wouldn't expect her and didn't want her to break up with her life-long friend that did say he likes her this year. But this new guy is different...