Is it possible to have an empty intersection of a set and its subsets?

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The discussion revolves around the set notation [a,a) and whether such a set can exist, as it implies a contradiction where 'a' is both included and excluded. Participants explore the concept of nested intervals In = [an,bn) with the condition that In+1 is a subset of In, seeking examples where their intersection is empty. It is noted that for the intersection to be empty, at least one of the sets must be empty, and confusion arises regarding the definition of empty sets and proper subsets. The conclusion emphasizes the challenge of constructing an empty intersection when all sets are non-empty, highlighting the complexities of set theory. Understanding these nuances is crucial for addressing the original question effectively.
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question about the set [a,a)

If S=[a,a) Can such a set exist? It implies that a is in S and not in S, which doesn't make sense, but it seems a problem I'm trying to do requires it to be considered empty.

The question is:

Let In = [an,bn) where

In+1 < In for all natural numbers n. [< denotes subset]

Give an example of those In for which the intersection of In (for all n) is empty.

I can't see any other way to construct an empty set.
 
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(a, a] would be the set of all x such that a < x <= a.

However, I think the question intends you to limit yourself to intervals whose endpoints are distinct.


Recall that when you take a nested intersection of nonempty closed sets, you never get the empty set. Since you're searching for behavior that is not demonstrated by closed sets, I would suggest focusing at the open end of your intervals, where they resemble closed sets the least.
 
Hi. Thanks for the response. Based on your definition [a,a) is indeed empty. Although I'm not sure why you think the question requires the endpoints to be distinct.

If every set In+1 is a subset of In, then the only way the intersection of In for all n is empty is if one of those sets is empty. To my eyes (which admittedly are stupid at times), the only set of the form [a,b) that is empty is when a=b (or b<a)
 
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I just learned that the set [a,a) is not a proper subset of itself. So if In=[a,a), In+1 can't satisfy In+1 < In.

Now I have no idea what's going on. If no In can be empty, how can the intersection of all In be empty in any case! HELP
 
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