Why a heavier skier/whatever is faster, the answer.

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The discussion centers around the question of why heavier objects, such as skiers or balls, fall faster than lighter ones, despite the common understanding that acceleration due to gravity is constant for all masses. Participants explore the roles of air resistance and friction in this context, questioning common assumptions and interpretations of the physics involved.

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  • Participants discuss the effects of air resistance and friction on the acceleration of a skier, with some attempting to derive equations related to these forces. Questions arise about the independence of certain variables from mass and the implications of these relationships.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the equations presented, and some participants acknowledge misunderstandings while seeking clarification.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential misapplication of concepts, particularly regarding the density of air and its role in the equations discussed. There is an awareness of the need for careful consideration of the assumptions made in the analysis.

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This doesn't directly belong in homework help, but I was trying to answer this question and realized it's rarely well answered.

The question is, why does a heavier ball, heavier skier, cyclist, fall faster? Many people seem to believe they will fall at the same speed, as acceleration due to gravity is the same for all of them, however common sense suggests this is wrong. A metal feather WILL fall faster than a real one. Why is this?

The simple answer is air resistance, however how we get to this takes a bit longer. We may also ask the question, doesn't friction also play a part?

With the example of a skier:

The acceleration of the skier at a given time is given by:

a = \frac{\sum F}{m}

\sum F = F_wsin \phi + F_d + F_f

Where phi is the angle of the slope, Fd is the drag force (air resistance), and Ff is the frictional force.

F_w = mg

F_d = -\rho A C_d v^2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_equation"

F_f = -\mu F_wcos\phi

From this we can get:

a = \frac{\sum F}{m} = \frac{F_w + F_f + F_d}{m} = \frac{mg\sin \phi - F_w \mu \cos \phi - \rho AC_dv^2}{m}<br />

So

a = g \sin \phi - \mu g \cos \phi - \frac{\rho A C_dv^2}{m}

From this we can see that acceleration due to gravity and frictional force are independent of the mass, but the effect of air resistance on acceleration decreases with a larger mass!

Therefore, a heavier skier will be faster!


This might not be the right forum for this, feel free to move it.
If anyone thinks I'm wrong, or can explain it better, please post!
 
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a = g \sin \phi - \mu g \cos \phi - \frac{\rho A C_dv^2}{m}

but \rho = m / V
where V is the volume of the skier.

So,

a = g \sin \phi - \mu g \cos \phi - \frac{ A C_dv^2}{V}

which is independent of the mass of the skier.
 
rho is the density of the fluid, in this case the air, not the skier.

It's a constant.
 
re1s said:
rho is the density of the fluid, in this case the air, not the skier.

It's a constant.

Yeah, I realized that about 1 minute before you posted. Mea culpa.
 

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