Most probable value of r in ground state of hydrogen

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The discussion centers around determining the most probable value of the radial distance \( r \) for the ground state of the hydrogen atom. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the wavefunction, probability density, and the implications of spherical coordinates in this context.

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  • One participant asks whether the most probable value of \( r \) is simply the Bohr radius.
  • Another participant confirms that the most probable value is indeed the Bohr radius and provides the ground state wavefunction and probability density functions, emphasizing the need to account for spherical coordinates in the integration process.
  • A third participant expresses gratitude for the explanation provided.
  • A later post reiterates the hydrogen wave function and probability density, detailing the process to find the most probable value of \( r \) by setting the derivative of the probability density to zero, ultimately leading to the conclusion that \( r = r_0 \) (the Bohr radius).

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Participants generally agree that the most probable value of \( r \) corresponds to the Bohr radius, but the discussion includes detailed mathematical derivations and expressions that may not be fully resolved or universally accepted.

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The discussion includes various mathematical steps and assumptions related to the wavefunction and probability density, which may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of quantum mechanics. Some steps in the derivation are not fully elaborated, leaving room for further exploration.

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What is the most probable value of r for the grounds tate of hydrogen, and why? Is it just the Bohr radius?
 
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Yes, it is the Bohr radius (which I'll call 'a'). The ground state wavefunction is:

ψ1s(r)=(1/π1/2a3/2)e-r/a.

The probability density is |ψ1s(r)|2, which is:

ρ1s(r)=|ψ1s(r)|2=(1/πa3)e-2r/a.

But that function is not going to give you the most probable radius. You have to take into account the fact that ρ1s is in spherical coordinates, whose volume element is:

dV=r2sin(φ)dr dθ dφ.

So, when you integrate ρ1s over all space, it gets multiplied by r2. Furthermore, since ψ1s is spherically symmetric, you can integrate over θ and φ to get what is called the radial probability density P1s(r):

P1s(r)=(4/a3)r2e-2r/a.

If you optimize this function, you will find that it has a relative maximum at r=a, the Bohr radius.
 
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Thank you so much! That was very helpful!
 
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Quantum Hydrogen

Hydrogen wave function:
[tex]\psi_{1s} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{\pi r_0^3}} e^{-r/r_0}[/tex]

Bohr radius:
[tex]r_0 = \frac{\hbar}{\alpha M_e c}[/tex]

Probability density:
[tex]|\psi_{1s}|^2 = \left( \frac{1}{\pi r_0^3} \right) e^{-2r/r_0}[/tex]

[tex]P(r)dr = |\psi|^2 dV[/tex]

[tex]dV = 4 \pi r^2 dr[/tex]

[tex]P(r)dr = |\psi|^2 4 \pi r^2 dr[/tex]

Beta cloud probability:
[tex]P(r) = 4 \pi r^2 |\psi|^2[/tex]

Hydrogen probability density function:
[tex]P_{1s}(r) = \left( \frac{4r^2}{r_0^3} \right) e^{-2r/r_0}[/tex]

The most probable value of [tex]r[/tex] corresponds to the peak of the plot of [tex]P(r)[/tex] versus [tex]r[/tex]. The slope of the curve at this point is zero. To evaluate the most probable value of [tex]r[/tex] is by setting [tex]dP/dr = 0[/tex] and solving for [tex]r[/tex]:

[tex]\frac{dP}{dr} = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dP}{dr} = \frac{d}{dr} \left[ \left( \frac{4r^2}{r_0^3} \right) e^{-2r/r_0} \right] = 0[/tex]

Derivative operation and simplification:
[tex]e^{-2r/r_0} \frac{d}{dr} (r^2) + r^2 \frac{d}{dr} (e^{-2r/r_0}) = 0[/tex]

[tex]2re^{-2r/r_0} + r^2(-2/r_0)e^{-2r/r_0} = 0[/tex]

[tex]2re^{-2r/r_0} - (2r^2/r_0)e^{-2r/r_0} = 0[/tex]

[tex]2r[1 - (r/r_0)]e^{-2r/r_0} = 0[/tex]

Expression satisfied if:
[tex]1 - \frac{r}{r_0} = 0[/tex]

Therefore:
[tex]\boxed{r = r_0}[/tex]

 
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