Evaluation of potential, problem reduced to an integral

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The original poster attempts to calculate the electric potential and electric field due to a spherical shell with uniform charge density using Green's function. The problem involves evaluating an integral that arises from the setup of the potential function.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the symmetry of the potential function and the implications of evaluating the integral along the z-axis. There are attempts to simplify the integral through variable substitution and completing the square. Some participants question the correctness of the derived expressions and dimensions of the potential.

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There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the integral and addressing potential errors in the calculations. The discussion includes considerations of the physical meaning of the potential and its continuity across the spherical shell.

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Participants note the importance of the dimensional consistency of the potential and the implications of arbitrary constants in potential calculations. There is also mention of homework constraints that may limit the methods used to solve the problem.

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Homework Statement


I must use Green's function [itex]\Phi (x)=\int _{\mathbb{R}^3 } \frac{\rho (x')}{|x-x'|}d^3x'[/itex] to calculate the potential and the electric field due to a spherical shell of radius R and unfiform charge density [itex]\sigma _0[/itex].

P.S.:I know I could use Dirac's delta to get the solution faster but I'm asked to do so in another exercise.

Homework Equations


Already given but in my case it reduces to (I believe): [itex]\int _S \frac{\sigma _0 r'^2 \sin \theta d\theta d\phi }{\sqrt{ r^2+r'^2-2rr' \cos \gamma }}[/itex] where [itex]\cos \gamma = \cos \theta \cos \theta '+ \sin \theta \sin \theta ' \cos (\varphi ' - \varphi )[/itex].


The Attempt at a Solution


I assume the potential function phi to be radially symmetrical, in other words I can calculate [itex]\Phi (r)[/itex] and that would be the solution for whatever phi and theta.
Let's say I calculate Phi along the z-axis so that theta=0. This gives [itex]\cos \gamma = \cos \theta '[/itex].
Therefore [itex]\Phi (r)=\int _0^{2\pi } \int _0^{\pi } \frac{r'^2 \sin \theta ' d\theta ' d \varphi ' }{\sqrt {r^2+r'^2-2rr' \cos \theta ' } }[/itex][itex]=2 \pi \sigma _0 \int _0 ^{\pi }\frac{r'^2 \sin \theta ' d \theta ' }{\sqrt {r^2+r'^2 -2rr' \cos \theta ' } }[/itex]. Now I make the change of variable [itex]x=\cos \theta ' \Rightarrow dx=-\sin \theta '[/itex].
And thus [itex]\Phi (r)=2\pi \sigma _0 \int _{-1}^1 \frac{r'^2 dx}{\sqrt {r^2+r'^2-2rr'x} }[/itex]. This is where I'm stuck. Basically r' is a constant... oh wait then I guess I should look into an integral table?
If you see any error feel free to help me.

Edit: The integral is worth [itex]-\frac{\sqrt {r^2-2rr'x+r'^2 } }{rr'} \big | _{-1}^1[/itex].
Giving me [itex]\Phi (r)=\frac{ 2\pi \sigma _0}{rr'} (\sqrt {r^2+r'^2+2rr'}- \sqrt {r^2+r'^2-2rr'} )[/itex]. I'm sure there's an error somewhere, the square roots are "too ugly". By the way [itex]r'=R=\text {constant}[/itex].
 
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Complete the square in the square root in your final step, the answer looks clean. The dimension of your answer is sigma/meter, while before you evaluate the integral it is sigma*meter, somewhere you missed some r^2.
 
sunjin09 said:
Complete the square in the square root in your final step, the answer looks clean. The dimension of your answer is sigma/meter, while before you evaluate the integral it is sigma*meter, somewhere you missed some r^2.

Oops you are right about the r'² term, I forgot it. Ok about completing the square...
 
I get [tex]\Phi (r)=4\pi \sigma _0 \frac{R^2}{r}[/tex] if [itex]r>R[/itex].
And [itex]\Phi (r)=0[/itex] if [itex]r<R[/itex] which, if I recall well is false. I think it should be constant rather than null.
 
remember potential is not a physical quantity, you can add arbitrary constant to it and still valid. In order to make your potential look nice, you can afford to make it continuous across the sphere.
 
sunjin09 said:
remember potential is not a physical quantity, you can add arbitrary constant to it and still valid. In order to make your potential look nice, you can afford to make it continuous across the sphere.

Thanks for helping me.
So here I could "define" [itex]\Phi (r)=4 \pi \sigma _0 R[/itex] when r<R. Is this right?
 

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