Fermions that can access 10 distinct energy states; Statistical Physics

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The discussion revolves around calculating the entropy of a system of four quantum fermions that can access ten distinct energy states. The first question regarding the expression for entropy is approached using the statistical weight formula for indistinguishable particles without multiple occupancy. For an energy of 1 eV, it is determined that there is only one arrangement, leading to an entropy of zero. When considering an energy of 1.1 eV, the same conclusion of a single arrangement is reached, again resulting in zero entropy. The importance of accounting for spin in the calculations is noted, as it allows for additional occupancy of states.
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Homework Statement



Consider a system made of 4 quantum fermions that can access 10 distinct states respectively with energies:

En=n/10 eV with n=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10

1) Write the expression for the entropy when the particles can access all states with equal probability

2) Compute the Entropy of the isolated system at energy U =1 eV

3) Compute the entropy of the isolated system at energy 1.1 eV

Homework Equations



Ω=G!/m!(G-m)!
s=kBln(Ω)


The Attempt at a Solution



the first question i think is answered basically by the first equation i gave for the statistical weight because that is for indistinguishable particles with multiple occupancy not allowed. I am a little bit stuck on the 2nd and 3rd questions. The probability of finding a particle in the lowest state must be more probable than finding a particle in the highest state but the equation for the statistical weight won't take that into account. if i can be pointed in the right direction that would be awesome :smile:
 
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matt_crouch said:
the first question i think is answered basically by the first equation i gave for the statistical weight because that is for indistinguishable particles with multiple occupancy not allowed. I am a little bit stuck on the 2nd and 3rd questions. The probability of finding a particle in the lowest state must be more probable than finding a particle in the highest state but the equation for the statistical weight won't take that into account. if i can be pointed in the right direction that would be awesome :smile:

The physical way of looking at entropy is that it's the logarithm of the number of states corresponding to a given energy. For example, when the total energy is fixed to 1eV, there's only one possible arrangement to get this: 1/10eV + 2/10eV + 3/10eV + 4/10eV = 1eV. Now it becomes just a combinatorics problem, and you only need to figure out how many such configurations there are.
 
ok so because there is only 1 possible arrangement for u=1ev the statistical weight can be calculated used the equation above so

Ω= 4!/4!(1)!
Ω=1

so s=kln(1)

then for the u=1.1 ev so the only possible state will be when 3/10 + 5/10 + 2/10 + 1/10 = 1.1 ev

so again Ω=1

s=kln (1)
 
Oops, I forgot about spin. If your fermions have spin 1/2, you can have two of them occupying a state with same n. Maybe you should at least mention this, if not calculate it completely.
 
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