Finding a potential function pt 2

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The discussion focuses on finding the potential function for the vector field F = (y + z)i + (x + z)j + (x + y)k. The initial approach involved taking the antiderivative of each component, but it led to duplicate terms, causing confusion. The correct potential function is identified as f(x, y, z) = xy + xz + yz + C, which simplifies the process. Participants emphasize the importance of careful handling of terms to avoid duplication. Ultimately, the discussion clarifies the method for deriving the potential function effectively.
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Homework Statement



find the potential function f for field F

F = (y + z)i + (x + z)j + (x + y)k

here is the answer

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The Attempt at a Solution



From the videos I've seen it appears that finding the potential function is rather easy, just take the antiderivative of each equation, the first with respect to x, the next with respect to y, and the third with respect to z, then if there are duplicate terms, use only one of them once. Using that technique I get

(y + z)x + (x+z)y + (x+y)z + C

Clearly something else is going on that I'm not aware of.
 
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robertjford80 said:

Homework Statement



find the potential function f for field F

F = (y + z)i + (x + z)j + (x + y)k

here is the answer

Screenshot2012-05-30at35834AM.png
They write their answer in a rather curious way.

Why not f(x, y, z) = xy + yz + zx ?

The Attempt at a Solution



From the videos I've seen it appears that finding the potential function is rather easy, just take the antiderivative of each equation, the first with respect to x, the next with respect to y, and the third with respect to z, then if there are duplicate terms, use only one of them once. Using that technique I get

(y + z)x + (x+z)y + (x+y)z + C

Clearly something else is going on that I'm not aware of.

For your solution of f(x, y, z) = (y + z)x + (x+z)y + (x+y)z + C , try taking ∂f/∂x , ∂f/∂y , ∂f/∂z and see that it doesn't work.
 
Ok, I get it now, my way had several duplicate terms. And the book just uses an odd way to write xz + yx + zy
 
robertjford80 said:
Ok, I get it now, my way had several duplicate terms. And the book just uses an odd way to write xz + yx + zy
Yes, but if you're careful your way can work just fine.

\displaystyle \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}=y+z\quad\to\quad f(x,\,y,\,z)=xy+xz+\text{Some term not containing }x\text{ but including the constant, }C

\displaystyle \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}=x+z\quad\to\quad f(x,\,y,\,z)=xy+yz+\text{Some term not containing }y\text{ but including the constant, }C

\displaystyle \frac{\partial f}{\partial z}=y+z\quad\to\quad f(x,\,y,\,z)=xz+yz+\text{Some term not containing }z\text{ but including the constant, }C

So by inspection we have that f(x,\,y,\,z)=xy+xz+yz+C

Try this on your previous problem.
 
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