Automotive Need Help Calculating MPH Increase From Reduction in Drag Coefficient

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum speed of an electric motorcycle by adjusting the drag coefficient and gear ratio. The user seeks assistance in incorporating aerodynamic parameters into a spreadsheet to better predict speed changes based on drag reduction. It is noted that the power required to overcome drag significantly impacts speed, with specific calculations provided for a target drag coefficient of 0.37. Suggestions include modifying tire size, gear ratios, and focusing on aerodynamics to improve range and speed. The conversation highlights the balance between achieving higher speeds and maintaining torque for lower-speed performance.
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I am new to the forums and need help with something. I have been using a spreadsheet that somebody else made in order to help me design an electric motorcycle. I have been inputing my own data using most of his calculations and I have noticed that he did not calculate any aerodynamic parameters when into the formula for max speed. I have no idea how to do that, so I need the help of anybody who is willing. I have attached the spreadsheet.

Thanks,
Andrew
 

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P.S. I am looking to get my drag coefficient down to 0.37 or lower, but I would like to be able to input the formula into the Max Speed cell (K28) so that when I change values in the spreadsheet it will update the calculations accordingly.
 
By my calculations the max speed is dictated by the maximum continuous speed of the motor, not the aero. The power required to overcome drag is given by 1/2*p*V^3*CdA. In your case of 56mph, that is just 2.6kW out of your 11.3kW motor.
 
Ok so the only way to increase the max speed would be to increase the tire size, change the gear ratio, or get a bigger motor. Thanks. I guess I will have to change the gear ratio and use the aerodynamics to increase the driving range, because my range will go down at higher speeds without aerodynamic modifications.
 
You can use this calculator to determine your maximum speed due to aerodynamics. Theory is at the bottom of the page to find how to calculate it.

For your motorcycle (CdA=0.25 m²; Roll. Rest.=0.02; weight=470 lb; wheel power=15 hp), it turns out to be 87 mph (with proper gearing, of course).
 
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