Electromagnetic spin from Noether theorem and spin photon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Noether's theorem to determine the angular momentum of the electromagnetic field, particularly focusing on the intrinsic spin of photons. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and implications of quantizing the electromagnetic field in the context of gauge theories.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the angular momentum tensor from the electromagnetic Lagrangian density and proposes that the field has intrinsic angular momentum.
  • Another participant suggests verifying the angular momentum per photon by analyzing the energy density of a plane wave and its relation to angular momentum density.
  • It is noted that for circularly polarized light, the angular momentum is ħ per photon, while for plane polarized light, the spin states are more complex, with half chances for different states.
  • A participant discusses rewriting Maxwell's equations in a form similar to the Dirac equation to demonstrate the spin-1 character of the electromagnetic field.
  • One participant quantizes the spin and expresses it in terms of creation and annihilation operators, questioning whether the derived expression represents the spin of a photon with momentum k.
  • Another participant corrects a misunderstanding regarding the expression for spin, indicating that the eigenvalues of spin will be ±1.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between polarization states and intrinsic spin, with some participants arguing that only circularly polarized states have definite spin values.
  • One participant introduces the Chern-Simons current as a more complete representation of electromagnetic spin, arguing that the term \(\vec{E} \times \vec{A}\) is insufficient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electromagnetic spin and the implications of various polarization states. There is no consensus on the sufficiency of the \(\vec{E} \times \vec{A}\) term to represent electromagnetic spin, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of quantization and the nature of spin states.

Contextual Notes

Some mathematical steps and assumptions are not fully resolved, particularly regarding the quantization process and the relationship between different polarization states and their corresponding spin values.

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hi, I try to use the Noether theorem to determinate the angular momentum of the electromagnetic field described by the Lagrangian density

L=-FαβFαβ/4

After some calculation I find a charge Jαβ that is the angular momentum tensor. So the generator of rotations are
(J^{23},J^{31},J^{12}) = \vec{J}

and I find

\vec{J} = \int d^{3}x ( \vec{E}\times \vec{A} + \sum _{k} E^{k} (\vec{x} \times \nabla ) A^{k} )

Now I deduce that the field has an intrinsic angular momentum that is

\vec{S} = \int d^{3}x ( \vec{E}\times \vec{A} )

but from this, once I quantized the field (for example in the Coulomb gauge, with the modified commutation relations) can I deduce something about the spin of the photon?
 
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You want to verify that the angular momentum is ħ per photon, so I guess the thing to do is to determine the number of photons. So take a plane wave, write down the energy density and compare it to your expression for the angular momentum density. The ratio should come out Nħω/Nħ = ω.
 
Bill_K said:
You want to verify that the angular momentum is ħ per photon, so I guess the thing to do is to determine the number of photons. So take a plane wave, write down the energy density and compare it to your expression for the angular momentum density. The ratio should come out Nħω/Nħ = ω.
That is the case,but only when the light is circularly polarized.If light is plane polarized,then it can be shown it will have half chance to be in +h- state and half to be in -h- state.If one wants to show that electromagnetic field has spin 1 character then it is possible to write maxwell eqn in a form similar to dirac eqn.,matrices used there can be used to show the spin 1 character.
 
"[STRIKE]So take a plane wave...[/STRIKE]" So take a circularly polarized plane wave...
If one wants to show that electromagnetic field has spin 1 character then it is possible to write maxwell eqn in a form similar to dirac eqn.,matrices used there can be used to show the spin 1 character.
In effect he's already done that. Maxwell's Equations can be written as a set of first-order equations. The variables you'll need to do this are Fμν and Aμ. The equations are

Aν,μ - Aμ,ν = Fμν
Fμν,ν = 0

Similar to the Dirac Equation, I suppose, but there are ten independent variables instead of four. From these equations you can extract a set of very singular 10 x 10 matrices. Then what?

In the Dirac case it's not the gamma matrices that are involved in rotations anyway, it's the other ones, σμν. For a given state ψ, the spin is something like ψσμνψ. Well, this just gets us back to where we started, when the OP wrote S = E x A. This expression can be written as a singular 10 x 10 matrix sandwiched between combinations of the field variables Fμν and Aμ.

So given that matrix, what do you need to do to show the field has intrinsic spin 1 (or 1/2)? You find the eigenvectors and eigenvalues of the matrix.

Guess what the eigenvectors are in the Maxwell case? The circularly polarized plane waves. Which was my suggestion! :smile:
 
hi guys, I'm very stubborn so I quantized the spin
paolorossi said:
\vec{S} = \int d^{3}x ( \vec{E}\times \vec{A} )

in gauge of coulomb with A^{0}=0 , and , after some calculations and observations on the polarization vectors , I find

\vec{S} = \int d^{3}k i \vec{k} (a^{+}_{2}(\vec{k}) a_{1}(\vec{k})-a^{+}_{1}(\vec{k}) a_{2}(\vec{k})) = \int d^{3}k \vec{S}_{\vec{k}}

so

\vec{S}_{\vec{k}} = \vec{k} (a^{+}_{1}(\vec{k}) , a^{+}_{2}(\vec{k})) \sigma_{2} (a_{1}(\vec{k}) , a_{2}(\vec{k}))^{t}

Is correct to say that \vec{S}_{\vec{k}} the spin of a photon whit a momentum k ? If the answer is yes, someone can help me to understand what it implies about the spin of the photon?
 
Is correct to say that S⃗ k⃗ the spin of a photon whit a momentum k ?
No, you have an extra factor of |k|. Correctly stated, the eigenvalues of spin will be ±1.
 
Bill_K said:
No, you have an extra factor of |k|. Correctly stated, the eigenvalues of spin will be ±1.

sorry, I make an error, the \vec{k} comes from \vec{\epsilon}_{1}(\vec{k}) \times \vec{\epsilon}_{2}(\vec{k}) , so it is a versor! So I must write \vec{k}/k in place of \vec{k}...

andrien maybe you are my salvation! I don't have the book, can you get a little more detail? thanks to all
 
summarizing, I find from invariance of e.m. Lagrangian , with the help of Noether th, that the e.m. field has an intrinsic angular momentum. Quantizing in Coulomb gauge, I express this spin of e.m. field as

\vec{S} = \int d^{3}k i \vec{k}/k (a^{+}_{2}(\vec{k}) a_{1}(\vec{k})-a^{+}_{1}(\vec{k}) a_{2}(\vec{k})) = \int d^{3}k \vec{S}_{\vec{k}}

with

\vec{S}_{\vec{k}} = i \vec{k}/k (a^{+}_{2}(\vec{k}) a_{1}(\vec{k})-a^{+}_{1}(\vec{k}) a_{2}(\vec{k}))

so a state with a linearly polarized photon \left| \vec{k} , s \right\rangle (where s=1,2 is the index of polarization) isn't eigenstate of S, but a state

\left| \vec{k} , 1 \right\rangle +i \left| \vec{k} , 2 \right\rangle is eigenstate of Sk with eigenvalue \vec{k}/k

\left| \vec{k} , 1 \right\rangle -i \left| \vec{k} , 2 \right\rangle is eigenstate of Sk with eigenvalue -\vec{k}/k

in pratice they are state of circular polarization... What does this mean? Only states with circularly polarized photon (that have a definite momentum) have a definite spin? And there are only spin states +1 and -1 (in direction k)?
 
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paolorossi said:
sorry, I make an error, the \vec{k} comes from \vec{\epsilon}_{1}(\vec{k}) \times \vec{\epsilon}_{2}(\vec{k}) , so it is a versor! So I must write \vec{k}/k in place of \vec{k}...

andrien maybe you are my salvation! I don't have the book, can you get a little more detail? thanks to all

what do you mean by salvation.By the way,maxwell eqn in empty space can be written in a form like this
(-iS.∇-i∂0)ψ=0,where the three S satisfy the commutation relation
S1S2-S2S1=iS3 and similarly for cyclical order.These three S compared to weyl eqn give appearance of σ matrices.So,these are represented as some spin describing property.I have shown before that they do describe a spin 1 character of EM field.I have said before that light with circular polarization only can be used to predict definite spin.
And there are only spin states +1 and -1 (in direction k)?
Do you want a zero state also?
 
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The term \vec{E}\times\vec{A} is not sufficient to represent the electromagnetic spin
because it does not transform as part of an axial vector.

The complete expression for the electromagnetic spin four vector is the
Chern Simons current {\cal C}^\mu.

\begin{equation}
{\cal C}^\mu ~~=~~ \epsilon_o\,\tfrac12\varepsilon^{\,\mu\nu\alpha \beta} F_{\alpha\beta}A_\nu ~~=~~ \epsilon_o\,\varepsilon^{\,\mu\alpha\beta\gamma} A_\alpha\partial_\beta A_\gamma
\end{equation}

Which is expressed in matrix form as:

\begin{equation}\label{eq:EM_spin_density2}
{\cal C}^\mu ~~=~~
\mbox{ $\left(
\begin{array}{c c c c}
~ 0 &-\tfrac1c\,H_x &-\tfrac1c\,H_y &-\tfrac1c\,H_z \\
\tfrac1c\,H_x & ~~~ 0 & \ \ ~~D_z & ~-D_y \\
\tfrac1c\,H_y & ~-D_z & ~~~ 0 & \ \ ~~D_x \\
\tfrac1c\,H_z & \ \ ~~D_y & ~-D_x & ~~~ 0
\end{array}
\right) \left(
\begin{array}{c}
\ \ A_0 \\
-A_x \\
-A_y \\
-A_z
\end{array}
\right)$}
\end{equation}

This is a four-vector field which we can write down explicitly as a
3d vector and a time-component.
\begin{equation}
\qquad \vec{\cal C}\ =\
D \times \vec{A}\ +\ \tfrac1c~H~A^o\
,\qquad
{\cal C}^o \ =\ \tfrac1c~H\cdot\vec{A}\ \quad
\end{equation}

So you see that the term H A^o needs to be included. The effect is
that circular polarized light still has a spin of \pm \hbar but linear polarized
light now correctly gets a spin 0.


The Chern Simons current arises in the axial anomaly of the electron
which was discovered around 1969 byS. L. Adler, John S. Bell and
R. Yackiw. It was found that the axial current J^\mu_A of the electron
(its spin) is not conserved independently.

In order to conserve the spin and to keep electromagnetism as a
local gauge theory, it is required by quantum perturbation theory that:

\begin{equation}
\partial_\mu j^\mu_A ~~=~~ - \frac{\alpha}{2\pi}\,\partial_\mu C^\mu
\end{equation}

The rightmost term of the equation, the Chern-Pontryagin density
{\cal A}=\partial_\mu C^\mu, is non-zero outside the electron's wave function where
the charge/current density is zero.

See also this chapter from my book where the electromagnetic spin
if worked out for a number of practical cases:

http://physics-quest.org/Book_Chapter_EM2_ChernSimonsSpin.pdfHans
 
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