Is There A Relationship Between Young's Modulus And Spring Constant?

AI Thread Summary
Young's modulus (Y) is defined as the ratio of stress to strain, while the spring constant (k) is derived from Hooke's law. There is a relationship between Young's modulus and the spring constant, particularly for string or rod-like materials, expressed as k = Y*A/L, where A is the cross-sectional area and L is the length. This relationship holds true up to the proportional limit of the material, as dictated by Hooke's law. The discussion emphasizes that while Young's modulus applies to one-dimensional stress, the spring constant can involve multi-dimensional loading, complicating the relationship further.
FredericChopin
Messages
101
Reaction score
0
We know that the Young's modulus of an object is defined as the ratio between its stress and strain:

Y = σ/ε

, or:

Y = F*L/A*ΔL

We also know that Hooke's law, which can be applied to any linear elastic object, can find spring constant:

F = k*x

, rearranged:

k = F/x

But is there a relationship between the Young's modulus and the spring constant of an object? Is there a formula that shows this relationship?

Thank you.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Sure, we can make a closer comparision
Y = F*L/A*ΔL

Considering the ideal springs, when you put two in parallel the strength would double, whereas series would half. This means that k is proportional to A/L. Put it like k=cA/L where c is another constant, then F=c*A*ΔL/L, rearrange into c=F*L/A*ΔL which is analogous to the previous one.

However Young's modulus is applied to string or rod like material, which means the c would equal to the Young's modulus when k is for a string or rod. Otherwise, you need to consider the shape of the spring.
 
Just to clarify, from reading vanhees71's weblink and your post, the relationship between the Young's modulus and the spring constant of a string or rod-like object is:

k = Y*A/L ?

Also, would this formula only hold true up to the proportional limit of an object (since Hooke's law also states this limit)?
 
Last edited:
k = Y*A/L

Yes that's good.

Youngs modulus is simply for stress (loading) in a single dimension, such as stretching a string or compressing a column. So a single dimension (length) is involved.

Vanhees reference refers to a more general elastic system that might have loading in two or three dimensions and so area or volume might be involved. In this case the response is still proportional to the load, by spring constant but this does not relate so simply to youngs modulus.

This is what zealscience also meant by considering the shape.
 
Excellent! Thank you.
 
Last edited:
Hi there, im studying nanoscience at the university in Basel. Today I looked at the topic of intertial and non-inertial reference frames and the existence of fictitious forces. I understand that you call forces real in physics if they appear in interplay. Meaning that a force is real when there is the "actio" partner to the "reactio" partner. If this condition is not satisfied the force is not real. I also understand that if you specifically look at non-inertial reference frames you can...
I have recently been really interested in the derivation of Hamiltons Principle. On my research I found that with the term ##m \cdot \frac{d}{dt} (\frac{dr}{dt} \cdot \delta r) = 0## (1) one may derivate ##\delta \int (T - V) dt = 0## (2). The derivation itself I understood quiet good, but what I don't understand is where the equation (1) came from, because in my research it was just given and not derived from anywhere. Does anybody know where (1) comes from or why from it the...
Back
Top