What is the Simplest Way to Find the Square Root of i?

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The discussion revolves around finding the square root of the imaginary unit i, exploring various methods and representations within complex numbers. Participants engage in technical reasoning, mathematical expressions, and theoretical implications related to the properties of complex numbers.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that i does have a square root, specifically by solving the equation z² = i.
  • One participant proposes that the square roots of i can be expressed in the form a + bi, where a and b are non-zero.
  • Another participant provides the square roots as z = ±(1/√2)(1 + i) and suggests verifying by squaring these values.
  • It is noted that the complex numbers are algebraically closed, implying every nonzero complex number has nth roots.
  • De Moivre's Theorem is introduced as a method to find the square roots of i, yielding two solutions based on angle representation.
  • Some participants discuss the significance of algebraic closure in relation to polynomial roots, contrasting it with the real numbers.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of expressing roots in terms of repeated square roots, referencing historical methods of construction.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about their own contributions, suggesting a different expression for the square roots of i, which is met with requests for clarification.
  • Another participant suggests simplifying the expression i^(1/2) = (-1)^(1/4), which is met with skepticism regarding its usefulness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that i has square roots, but there are multiple competing views on the methods and expressions used to find them. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach or representation.

Contextual Notes

Some mathematical expressions and assumptions are presented without full context or verification, leading to potential ambiguity in the interpretations of the square roots of i.

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Does i, the imaginary number, have a square root? This was bothering me for a while, then I thought I happened upon a simple solution, but have since forgetten.

[tex]\sqrt{i}=?[/tex]
 
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It does if you can solve the equation z2 = i.
 
I'm pretty sure the answer is of the form a+bi where a,b are non-zero.
 
The square roots of i are:

[tex]z = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(1 + i), -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(1 + i)[/tex]

You can check by squaring these numbers.
 
[tex]z= \pm\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(1+i)[/tex]

has the property [itex]z^2=i[/itex]. You can find this by solving

[tex](a+bi)^2=i[/tex]

for [itex]a[/itex] and [itex]b[/itex] real.
 
Excellent, I got to finding that (1+i)^2=2i. So that makes sense.
 
and by the way, you shouldn't need to ask "does i have a square root." The complex numbers are algebraically closed, ie. every nonzero complex number has exactly [itex]n[/itex] [itex]n^\mbox{th}[/itex] roots.
 
Interesting. "Algebraically closed"? Does that just mean the set is closed under the operation of taking roots?
 
Even better -- every nonconstant polynomial has a root!
 
  • #10
De Moivre's Theorem...


There are two solutions for the square root of i using De Moivre's Theorem:

[tex]w_k = \text{cis} \; \frac{90^{\circ} + 360^{\circ} k}{2}[/tex]
[tex]w_0 = \text{cis} \; 45^{\circ} = (\cos 45^{\circ} + i \sin 45^{\circ})[/tex]
[tex](\cos 45^{\circ} + i \sin 45^{\circ}) = \left( \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} + \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} i \right)[/tex]

[tex]w_1 = \text{cis} \; 225^{\circ} = ( \cos 225^{\circ} + i \sin 225^{\circ})[/tex]
[tex]( \cos 225^{\circ} + i \sin 225^{\circ}) = \left( - \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} - \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} i \right)[/tex]
[tex]\boxed{w_0 = \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} (1 + i)}[/tex]
[tex]\boxed{w_1 = - \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} (1 + i)}[/tex]
[tex]\boxed{z = \pm \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} (1 + i)}[/tex]

Note that this solution is irrational with a root in the denominator:
[tex]z = \pm\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(1+i)[/tex]

Any root of i can be solved using De Moivre's Theorem.

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  • #11
And to see why Hurkyl's comment is significant, remember that over the reals, for example, not every polynomial has a root - for example, [itex]x^2+1[/itex] has no real roots, and it can't be factored over the reals. Over the complex numbers, every polynomial has a root, and this amounts to saying that every monic complex polynomial can be factored to the form

[tex](x - \alpha_1)^{e_1} \ \cdots \ (x - \alpha_n)^{e_n}[/tex]

for some positive integers [itex]e_i[/itex] and distinct complex numbers [itex]\alpha_i[/itex], in a unique way (up to ordering of the factors).

The fact that every nonzero complex number has [itex]n[/itex] nth roots is a little easier, though, as long as you know that every nonzero complex number [itex]z[/itex] can be represented in a unique way in the form [itex]re^{i\theta}[/itex] for some [itex]\theta \in \left[0, 2\pi), \ \mathbb{R} \ni r > 0[/itex], and that [itex]e^{i\theta}[/itex] is 2[itex]\pi[/itex]-periodic. Then you can write

[tex]z = re^{i\theta} \Longrightarrow \left(\sqrt[n]{r}e^{i\left(\frac{\theta + 2k\pi}{n}\right)}\right)^n = z, \ \mathbb{Z} \ni k \in \left[0, n-1\right][/tex]

ie. z has at least [itex]n[/itex] nth roots. It remains to be proved that there are exactly n of them, but you can work on that on your own~
 
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  • #12
From Orion1:

[tex]w_1 = \text{cis} \; 225^{\circ} = ( \cos 225^{\circ} + i \sin 225^{\circ})[/tex]


Is the cis() function equivalent to cos() + i sin()

?
 
  • #13
whozum said:
From Orion1:

[tex]w_1 = \text{cis} \; 225^{\circ} = ( \cos 225^{\circ} + i \sin 225^{\circ})[/tex]


Is the cis() function equivalent to cos() + i sin()

?

Yes it is, but no-one bothers to use it any more as cis x = e^ix which is just as easy to write.
 
  • #14
Orion1: Any root of i can be solved using De Moivre's Theorem.

I just want to add that, if its the inverse of a power of 2, it can be solved in terms of repeated square roots.
Looking at the 4th root of i, we have, in degrees, that the

sin(22.5) = [tex]\sqrt{\frac{1-cos(45)}{2}}[/tex]

This allows us to find the sin(22.5) = [tex]\sqrt{\frac{2-\sqrt{2}}{4}}[/tex]

So if we apply DeMovre's theorem, we can find the answer in term of surds.

This method. of course, can be applied to the next level to give

sin(11.25) =[tex](1/2)\sqrt{2-\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2}}}[/tex]

It can be added that these repeated square root equations are, as Gauss had pointed out, the only constructable ones using a ruler and compass according to the method of the Greeks.
 
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  • #15
i don't know if my answer is of any relevance since i am always ignored or insulted.
but i did a work of mine and got +or-[i/rt2] *[1-i].you can tell me if i am wrong
 
  • #16
abia ubong said:
i don't know if my answer is of any relevance since i am always ignored or insulted.
but i did a work of mine and got +or-[i/rt2] *[1-i].you can tell me if i am wrong

I don't know that anyone is insulting you (and I certainly can't tell if anyone is ignoring you but your post on an different "quadratic formula" got a number of responses!) but you are getting quite a bit of criticism about careless expression. Here you say "i did a work of mine and got +or-[i/rt2] *[1-i].you can tell me if i am wrong". No one can possibly say if [tex]\pm\frac{i}{\sqrt{2}}*(1-i)[/tex] is right or wrong because you haven't told us what you were working on or what it is supposed to be the answer to! If you are suggesting it as an answer to "what are the square roots of i?" which was the original question, couldn't you just square it yourself and see?
 
  • #17
keep it simple-

i^(1/2) = (-1)^(1/4)
 
  • #18
noslen said:
keep it simple-

i^(1/2) = (-1)^(1/4)

I don't see how that helps particularly, the RHS is not any easier to do than the LHS. But if you know how to do the former, you also know how to do the latter anyway! Besides, there are four fourth roots of one and only two square roots of i (see post #7). Only the two common to each will satisfy that equation. Just do this, always:

[tex]z = re^{i\theta}[/tex]

[tex]z^{\frac{1}{m}} = \sqrt[m]{r} e^{i(\theta + 2k\pi)/m[/tex]

[tex]k = 0, 1, ... , m-1[/tex]

"r" being a modulus of course, [itex]\sqrt[m]{r}[/itex] refers to the positive, real root.
 

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