Describing vectors in a different coordinate system

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To convert vectors from the xy Cartesian coordinate system to a rotated x'y' system, the unit vectors are expressed as i' = i cos φ - j sin φ and j' = i sin φ + j cos φ. This transformation is derived from geometric principles related to coordinate rotation. A reference to a Wikipedia article on coordinate rotation can provide additional clarity on the topic. The confusion may stem from incorrect signs in the initial equations provided. Understanding the geometric basis can help clarify the derivation of these relationships.
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The problem I am having is a problem in my textbook. It says that if we have xy Cartesian coordinate system, and if we then have a rotated coordinate system x'y', then to get the vector in the x'y' in terms of the xy system, we use the following arguments for the unit vectors:

i' = icos\Phi + jsin\Phi

j' = jcos\Phi - isin\Phi

I don't understand how this was derived, or where it came from. I try to use the right-angle definition for trig ratios, but I keep getting different numbers, and don't see how this relation is true. I would really appreciate it if somebody could provide a simple explanation.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
The problem I am having is a problem in my textbook. It says that if we have xy Cartesian coordinate system, and if we then have a rotated coordinate system x'y', then to get the vector in the x'y' in terms of the xy system, we use the following arguments for the unit vectors:

i' = icos\Phi + jsin\Phi

j' = jcos\Phi - isin\Phi

I don't understand how this was derived, or where it came from. I try to use the right-angle definition for trig ratios, but I keep getting different numbers, and don't see how this relation is true. I would really appreciate it if somebody could provide a simple explanation.

The derivation is mostly a matter of geometry. Perhaps this figure can clear things up:

RotateAroundZaxis.gif
 
Wikipedia has an article on coordinate rotation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinate_rotation

midway down in the "two Dimensions" topic they show a matrix that transforms a vector from xy to x'y'

In your case, I think you have the signs mixed up ie

i' = i cos phi - j sin phi

and

j' = i sin phi + j cos phi
 
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