Capacitor voltages and Inductor currents

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of capacitor voltages and inductor currents, specifically addressing whether these quantities can change instantaneously. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical representations, and real-world limitations in the context of circuit analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the voltage in a capacitor and the current in an inductor cannot change instantaneously, citing the need for infinite energy for such changes to occur.
  • Others reference the mathematical relationships, noting that an instantaneous change in voltage requires infinite current, and vice versa.
  • A participant introduces the concept of the delta function, suggesting that it allows for instantaneous changes in voltage and current under ideal conditions.
  • Another participant counters that delta functions are theoretical constructs that do not exist in reality, emphasizing the limitations of applying such models to real-world scenarios.
  • Some participants argue that while delta functions can simplify calculations, they do not accurately represent physical behavior, as real systems cannot exhibit instantaneous changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the applicability of instantaneous changes in capacitor voltages and inductor currents. While some support the theoretical framework involving delta functions, others emphasize the impracticality of such models in real-world applications.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on idealized models versus real-world components, and the unresolved nature of how closely theoretical constructs like delta functions can approximate physical phenomena.

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I have been taught that the voltage in a capacitor and the current in an inductor cannot change instanteously. This is important especially when solving differential equations for a circuit network. Can someone explain to me why these events cannot happen? To the extent of my knowledge for these events to happen, there is a need of infinite energy.
 
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Corneo said:
I have been taught that the voltage in a capacitor and the current in an inductor cannot change instanteously. This is important especially when solving differential equations for a circuit network. Can someone explain to me why these events cannot happen? To the extent of my knowledge for these events to happen, there is a need of infinite energy.
The current in a capacitor is [tex]i = C\frac{dv}{dt}[/tex] and the voltage in an inductor is [tex]v = L\frac{di}{dt}[/tex].
So, for an instantaneous change of voltage (dt = 0) in a capacitor, you need an infinite current. In the same way, for an instantaneous change of current in an inductor, you need an infinite voltage.
Notice that there is an infinite mean power, but a finite energy, since dt = 0.
 
he-he...
we were just told last week in lecture that capacitor charge (or voltage) CAN change instantaneously if input signal is delta function.
 
EvLer said:
he-he...
we were just told last week in lecture that capacitor charge (or voltage) CAN change instantaneously if input signal is delta function.
Yes, the delta 'function' or impulse, is a signal with infinite amplitude and zero duration. Because of this it has finite energy. So a current impulse can instantaneously change the voltage of a capacitor and a voltage impulse can instantaneously change the current in an inductor.
 
Of course, delta functions don't exist in the real world. There's no such thing as an impulse with infinite amplitude and zero duration in the real world.

- Warren
 
chroot said:
Of course, delta functions don't exist in the real world. There's no such thing as an impulse with infinite amplitude and zero duration in the real world.

- Warren
You are right. Delta function is an artificial construct that allows us to solve for the current fed to an ideal capacitor, initially discharged, connected to an ideal voltage source of V volts. According to Kirchoff's voltage law, the voltage in the capacitor rises instantaneously from 0 to V volts. This is only possible if the current charging the capacitor is [tex]i_C(t) = CV\cdot\delta(t)[/tex].
Since no ideal elements exists, there is no impulse. Assuming a real voltage source with an output resistance and a real capacitor with an associated resistance, the real current will be [tex]i_C(t) = \frac{V}{R}\cdot e^{-\frac{t}{RC}}[/tex], where R is the combined resistance of source and capacitor.
 
EvLer said:
he-he...
we were just told last week in lecture that capacitor charge (or voltage) CAN change instantaneously if input signal is delta function.

physically, the voltage is not changing instantly...however, since this change occurs very abruptly (but no instantly) it can be ROUGHLY modeled using a dirac delta function. Nothing behaves EXACTLY like a delta function representation, but calculations can be greatly simplified by using them.
 

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