Calculating Impact Speed: 100 Meter Fall with and without Air Resistance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the impact speed of a body falling from a height of 100 meters, specifically comparing scenarios with and without air resistance. Participants explore the effects of air resistance on the fall, considering different positions and drag forces.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the impact speed without air resistance to be 99 miles per hour (44 meters per second) and seeks to determine the speed with air resistance.
  • Another participant suggests adding a drag term to the force balance equation, mentioning both viscous and quadratic drag, with the latter being more relevant at higher speeds.
  • It is proposed that the drag force can be approximated using the equation f = -cv^2, where c is derived from the drag coefficient, cross-sectional area, and air density.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of cross-sectional area and estimates air resistance to be between 2 N and 18 N, leading to a modified acceleration of about 9.6 m/s² and a maximum speed of approximately 44.0 m/s.
  • Another participant estimates that a spread eagle position would yield a maximum speed of no less than 40 m/s, indicating a need for further refinement in calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of air resistance and the resulting speed calculations, with no consensus reached on the exact values or methods to be used. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise effects of air resistance in different falling positions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their estimates and the need for more rigorous calculations, particularly when considering different body positions during the fall.

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Hello!

I am doing a project with a few other people. It is sort of a mock trial. None of us are physics wiz's. We need to know the speed a body would impact the ground from a fall of 100 meters. We figured out that it would be 99 miles per hour/44 meters per second WITHOUT air resistance. But we need to know what it would be WITH air resistance. The person is about 5'10 and weighs about 150lbs/68kg. Your help would be much appreciated! Thanks!
 
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honeydukes said:
Hello!

I am doing a project with a few other people. It is sort of a mock trial. None of us are physics wiz's. We need to know the speed a body would impact the ground from a fall of 100 meters. We figured out that it would be 99 miles per hour/44 meters per second WITHOUT air resistance. But we need to know what it would be WITH air resistance. The person is about 5'10 and weighs about 150lbs/68kg. Your help would be much appreciated! Thanks!

You'll need to add a drag term to your force balance equation. IIRC from my undergraduate mechanics, there can be a viscous drag, which is proportional to the velocity, or a quadratic drag, which is proportional to the square of the velocity. I think that above a few meters per second, the quadratic drag term is used in a typical approximate calculation. So, the drag force should be [tex]f = -cv^2[/tex]. You can approximate the drag coefficient with something like [tex]c= \frac{1}{2} C_D S\rho[/tex]. [tex]C_D[/tex] is a dimensionless term related to the geometry of the falling object, S is the cross-sectional area of the falling obect and [tex]\rho[/tex] is the density of air.
 
As suggested by Geoff's post, the cross-sectional area is important here. This is the surface area that "meets" the oncoming wind and it will be very different for the position that the person takes. In the "pencil" position (straight up and down), a 68 kg person is not going to have experienced much significant air resistance (this is a 4.5 second fall, you know). My estimate has a maximum of 18 N and a minimum of 2 N of air resistance, so let's say 10 N of air resistance. This would make the acceleration atthe bottom about 9.6 m/s^2. The average acceleration would then be 9.7 m/s^2 (this is dirty estimation, please understand) so the maximum speed would be about 44.0 m/s instead of 44.3 m/s.

You'd really need to bring out calculus to do a better estimation if the person falls in a spread eagle position.
 
A quick estimate of a spread eagle fall still gets a maximum speed of no LESS than 40 m/s. This was found by overestimating just about every factor. I haven't worked in fluid dynamics for a while, so if anyone has a smaller maximum speed, I'd like to know what I missed.
 
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