Does Ax=Bx for All Vectors Guarantee A=B for Matrices?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the equation Ax=Bx for all vectors x implies that the matrices A and B are equal. Participants explore various scenarios and examples to understand the implications of this equation in the context of linear algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Ax=Bx does not always imply A=B, providing examples with 2x2 matrices where this is not true.
  • Another participant suggests multiplying A by the inverse of B as a potential approach to explore the relationship between A and B.
  • A participant proposes rearranging the equation to (A-B)x = 0 and questions whether this should hold for all values of x or just a specific one.
  • One contributor argues that if Ax=Bx for a specific non-zero vector x, it does not guarantee A=B, providing a construction of matrices A and B that satisfy Ax=Bx for that x but are not equal.
  • The same participant notes that in a one-dimensional vector space, if x is not zero, then Ax=Bx does imply A=B.
  • Another participant suggests examining the implications of Ax=Bx when applied to standard basis vectors to further investigate the relationship between A and B.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which Ax=Bx implies A=B. There is no consensus, as some argue for specific cases while others provide counterexamples that challenge the implication.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations based on the dimensionality of the vector space and the specific vectors chosen. The discussion remains open regarding the implications of the equation under various conditions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and practitioners in linear algebra, particularly those exploring matrix theory and the properties of linear transformations.

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Given nxn matrices A and B, and an n-vector x, are there any conditions that can guarantee Ax=Bx implies A=B? I started thinking about this well working on an assignment. It is clearly not always true, since you can easily think up 2x2 examples where it is not. You can also think up examples where the determinants are non-zero, and not equal to each other, where it still doesn't hold. What conditions if any would make this implication true? Thank you.
 
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Try multiplying A by the inverse of B. :wink:
 
Rearrange the equation as (A-B)x = 0. Does that help?

Is this supposed to be true for all values of x or just one specific value?
 
I presume you mean: are there any conditions on x such that if Ax= Bx for that particular x, then Ax= Bx and the answer is no. If x is any single vector (other than 0. If x= 0 then Ax= Bx= 0 for all A, B.) there exist a basis including x.
Define A by Ax= x, Ay= 0 for all other basis vectors y. Let z be a basis vector other than x, define B by Ax= x, Bz= z, By= 0 for all other basis vectors. Then Ax= Bx but A is not equal to B.

Okay, slight error! In that proof there must be some "other" basis vector- if the vector space is one dimensional, and x is not 0, then Ax=Bx implies A= B!

If Ax= Bx for ALL x, then see what happens when you apply A and B to each of (1, 0, 0,...), (0, 1, 0...)...
 
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