Lagrange Definition and 510 Threads

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    Lagrange Multipliers to find max/min values

    Homework Statement Use Lagrange multipliers to find the max and min values of the function subject to the given constraints: f(x,y,z)= x2y2z2 constraint: x2 + y2 + z2 = 1 Homework Equations ∇f = ∇g * λ fx = gx * λ fy = gy * λ fz = gz * λ The Attempt at a Solution i can't solve...
  2. A

    Lagrange Multipliers to find max/min values

    Homework Statement Use Lagange Multipliers to find the max and min values of the function subject to the given constraint(s). f(x,y)=exp(xy) ; constraint: x^3 + y^3 = 16 Homework Equations \nablaf = \nablag * \lambda fx = gx * \lambda fy = gy * \lambda The Attempt at a Solution...
  3. G

    Lagrange Multipliers: Minimum and Maximum Values

    Homework Statement I am trying to find the min and max values of f(x,y)=2x^2 + 3y^2 subject to xy=5. Homework Equations f(x,y)=2x^2 + 3y^2 subject to xy=5 \mathbf\nablaf=(4x, 6y) \mathbf\nablag=(y,x) The Attempt at a Solution When I go through the calculations, I end up with two critical...
  4. X

    Max/Min of f(x,y,z) with Lagrange Multipliers

    Homework Statement Use Lagrange multipliers to ¯nd the maximum and mini- mum value(s), if they exist, of f(x; y; z) = x^2 -2y + 2z^2 subject to the constraint x^2+y^2+z^2 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution Basically after I find the gradient of the functions I get this. 2x=2x lamda...
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    Max/Min of f(x,y)=x^2+6y Using Lagrange Multipliers

    Use lagrange multipliers to find max/min of f(x,y)=x^2+6y subject to x^2-y^2=5 grad f =λgrad g 2x=2xλ, λ=1 6=-2yλ, λ=-3/y 1=-3/y, y=-3 x^2-(-3)^2=x^2-9=5 x^2=14 x=+/-√14 two points are √14, -3 and -√14, -3 plugging both points into f(x,y) gives me the same answer. now what?
  6. X

    Lagrange Polynomial Interpolation

    Homework Statement Find the polynomial p(x) of degree 20 satisfying: p(-10) =p(-9) = p(-8) = ...=p(-1) = 0 p(0) = 1 p(1) = p(2) = p(3) = ...p(10) = 0 Homework Equations L(x) := \sum_{j=0}^{k} y_j \ell_j(x) The Attempt at a Solution i tried using the formula above: a =...
  7. I

    Lagrange multipliers with vectors and matrices

    My textbook is using Lagrange multipliers in a way I'm not familiar with. F(w,λ)=wCwT-λ(wuT-1) Why is the first order necessary condition?: 2wC-λu=0 Is it because: \nablaF=2wC-λu Why does \nablaF equal this? Many thanks! Edit: C is a covariance matrix
  8. G

    Solving Lagrange Charpit Homework Equation

    Homework Statement Use Charpits equations to solve 4u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = (\frac{\partial u}{\partial x})^2 where u=1 on the line x+2y=2 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution from the charpit equations i get \frac{dx}{dt} = 4u \frac{dy}{dt} = -1...
  9. F

    Lagrange Multiplier theory question

    Homework Statement I made this up, so I am not even sure if there is a solution Let's say I have to find values for which these two inequality hold x^2 + y^5 + z = 6 and 8xy + z^9 \sin(x) + 2yx \leq 200And by Lagrange Multipliers that \nabla f = \mu \nabla g So can I let f = 8xy + z^9 \sin(x)...
  10. Angelos K

    Applying Lagrange Multipliers to Optimization with Binary Variables

    Dear all, I have an optimization problem with boundary conditions, the type that is usually solved with Lagrange multipliers. But the (many) variables my function depends on can take only the values 0 and 1. Does anyone know how to apply Lagrange multipliers in this case? I am a...
  11. D

    Showing that the euler lagrange equations are coordinate independent

    so i know for example that d/dt (∂L/∂x*i) = ∂L/∂xi for cartesian coordinates, where xi is the ith coordinate in Rn and x*i is the derivative of the ith coordinate xi with respect to time. L represents the lagrangian. so using an arbitrary change of coordinates, qi = qi(x1, x2, ..., xn) i...
  12. E

    How Do You Solve a Lagrange Multiplier Problem with a Spherical Constraint?

    1. Assume we have function V(x,y,z) = 2x2y2z = 8xyz and we wish to maximise this function subject to the constraint x^2+Y^2+z^2=9. Find the value of V at which the max occurs 2. Function: V(x,y,z) = 2x2y2z = 8xyz Constraint: x^2+Y^2+z^2=9 3. So far I have gone Φ= 8xyz +...
  13. W

    Solve problem without Lagrange Equations.

    A friend and I were debating the solution to this problem, seen below, and cannot solve it without using Lagrange equations but it is suppose to have a solution that is super simple; but we didn't see it. Anyway, it is a old qualifier question from the Univ. of Wisconsin (open record so...
  14. A

    Lagrange multipliers and two constraints

    So I need to find the min and max values of f(x,y,z) = x^2 + 2y^2 + 3z^2 given the constraints x + y + z = 1 and x - y + 2z =2. I've gotten as far as (2x, 4y, 6z) = (u,u,u) + (m,-m,2m). I'm stuck trying to solve this system of equations. Any hints?
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    Maximizing the Lagrangian with Constraints to Solving Problems

    Homework Statement L = - \Sigma x,y (P(x,y) log P(x,y)) + \lambda \Sigmay (P(x,y) - q(x)) This is the Lagrangian. I need to maximize the first term in the sum with respect to P(x,y), subject to the constraint in the second term. The first term is a sum over all possible values of x,y...
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    Lagrange Multipliers/System of Equations?

    Homework Statement I seem to be struggling a bit to understand how my prof solved this problem...I think it might be my diminishing system of equation skills, so forgive me if this doesn't belong in the calc section. Use Lagrange multipliers to find all extrema of the function subject to...
  17. S

    Analysis problem using the Lagrange Remainder Theorem

    Homework Statement Prove that for every pair of numbers x and h, \left|sin\left(x+h\right)-\left(sinx+hcosx\right)\right|\leq\frac{h^{2}}{2} The Attempt at a Solution Let f(x)= \left|sin\left(x+h\right)-\left(sinx-hcosx\right)\right|? and then to center the taylor polynomial around 0...
  18. A

    Max/Min of f Using Lagrange Multipliers

    In a exercise says: Find max a min of f=-x^2+y^2 abaut the ellipse x^2+4y^2=4 i tried -2x=\lambda 2x 2y=\lambda 8y x^2+4y^2-4=0 then \lambda =-1 or \lambda =\frac{1}{4} , but, ¿how i find x,y?
  19. E

    How Do Lagrange Multipliers Help Calculate Distance from a Point to a Plane?

    URGENT - Lagrange Multipliers Homework Statement :confused: Using the method of lagrange multipliers prove the formula for the distance from a point (a,b,c) to a plane Ax + By + Cz = DThe Attempt at a Solution Using the equation of the form; H(x,y,z,L) = (x-a)^2 + (y -b)^2 +(z-c)^2 + L(Ax...
  20. BeBattey

    Maximizing f(x,y,z) with Constraint and Lagrange Multipliers

    Homework Statement Maximize f(x,y,z)=x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2} with constraint x^{4}+y^{4}+z^{4}=1 using Lagrange multipliers The Attempt at a Solution I've got the setup as: \Lambda(x,y,z,\lambda)=x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}+\lambdax^{4}+\lambday^{4}+\lambdaz^{4}+\lambda I solve for all partials nice...
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    How Do Satellites Orbit Lagrange Points Without Mass?

    Physics gurus: I understood from Newton's Law that a 2 bodies would rotate around their common center of mass. Should one body disappear (Harry Potter invoked here), the other would go flying off at a tangent... like a 'David's Sling" releasing a missile. The mass of the bodies was crucial to...
  22. P

    How Do You Apply Lagrange Multipliers to Optimize a Function with Constraints?

    Let f(x,y)= -2x^2-2xy+y^2+2 Use Lagrange multipliers to find the minimum of f subject to the constraint 4x-y = 6 ∂F / ∂x =..... i got -4x-2y+2y but i coming out as wrong what am i missing ∂F/ ∂Y= ... The function f achieves its minimum, subject to the given constraint, where x =...
  23. P

    Max Vol Rect Solid Cut from Sphere: Find Dim & Vol

    A rectangular solid of maximum volume is to be cut from a solid sphere of radius r. Determine the dimension of the solid so formed and its volume? I have defined my function F(l,b,h) as lbh, but i don't know how to define my constraint condition from my question
  24. R

    How Do You Use Lagrange Multipliers to Maximize Box Volume in an Ellipsoid?

    1. Problem Statement: Use Lagrange multipliers to find the volume of the largest box with faces parallel to the coordinate system that can be inscribed in the ellipsoid: 6x2 + y2 + 3z2 = 2 2. Homework Equations : f(x,y,z) = \lambdag(x,y,z) 3. Attempt at a solution f(x,y,z) is the...
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    Lagrange Multiplier /w Mixed Inequality/Equality Constraints

    Homework Statement Find the extreme values of the function f(x,y,z) = xy + z^2 in the set S:= { y\geq x, x^2+y^2+z^2=4 } Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution Ok, so This is clearly a lagrange multiplier question. Geometrically, I can see that the region that is the constraint is...
  26. O

    Maximize f(x,y,z) with Lagrange Multipliers

    Find the maximum value of f(x,y,z) = 5xyz subject to the constraint of [PLAIN]http://www3.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP9619f6019f3fia87i60000567g3gb3dhi833if?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=6&w=126&h=20. I know to find the partial derivatives of the function and the constraint. Then, set up...
  27. K

    How Do You Solve Lagrange Multipliers with Complex Constraints?

    1. Use the method of Lagrange multipliers to nd the minimum value of the function: f(x,y,z) = xy + 2xz + 2yz subject to the constraint xyz = 32. I understand the method how Lagranges Multipliers is donw done but seem to have got stuck solving the Simultaneous Equations involving the...
  28. H

    More fun with lagrange multipliers

    Homework Statement Find the point closest to the origin on the line of intersection of the planes y + 2z = 12 and x + y = 6Homework Equations \nuf = \lambda\nug1 +\mu\nug2 f = x2+y2+z2 g1: y + 2z = 12 g2: x + y = 6 There are supposed to be gradients on all of those, whether or not LaTeX...
  29. H

    Recursive Lagrange multipliers

    Hey all, this is my first post, so I apologize in advance if data are missing/format is strange/etc. I'm working with lagrange multipliers, and I can get to the answer about half the time. The problem is, I'm not really sure how to deal with things when the multiplier equation becomes...
  30. M

    Euler Lagrange equation - weak solutions?

    Hello there, I was wondering if anybody could indicate me a reference with regards to the following problem. In general, the Euler - Lagrange equation can be used to find a necessary condition for a smooth function to be a minimizer. Can the Euler - Lagrange approach be enriched to cover...
  31. S

    Finding Minimum with Lagrange Multipliers

    Homework Statement Find the minimum of f(x,y) = x^2 + y^2 subject to the constraint g(x,y) = xy-3 = 0 Homework Equations delF = lambda * delG The Attempt at a Solution Okay, after lecture, reviewing the chapter and looking at some online information, this is what I have so far...
  32. M

    How can I find the y(x) that minimizes the functional J?

    Hello there, I am dealing with the functional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_variation) J = integral of (y . dy/dx) dx When trying to compute the Euler Lagrange eqaution I notice this reduces to a tautology, i.e. dy/dx - dy/dx = 0 How could I proceed for finding the y(x) that...
  33. R

    Math Physics: Lagrange Multiplier question

    Homework Statement Hello. I've been stuck on a Lagrange Multiplier problem. It's from Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences by Mary Boas 3rd edition pg. 222. The question is: What proportions will maximize the volume of a projectile in the form of a circular cylinder with one conical...
  34. C

    Solve Highest/Lowest Points on Curve of Intersection with Lagrange Multipliers

    Hi There I would like help on a question about Lagrange multipliers. Question: Consider the intersection of two surfaces: an elliptic paraboloid z=x^2 + 2*x + 4*y^2 and a right circular cylinder x^2 + y^2 = 1. Use Lagrange multipliers to find the highest and lowest points on the curve of the...
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    Lagrangian mechanics - Euler Lagrange Equation

    Euler Lagrange Equation : if y(x) is a curve which minimizes/maximizes the functional : [SIZE="4"]F\left[y(x)\right] = \int^{a}_{b} [SIZE="4"]f(x,y(x),y'(x))dx then, the following Euler Lagrange Differential Equation is true. \frac{\partial}{\partial x} [SIZE="4"]-...
  36. K

    Why Does the Missing Lagrange Multiplier Matter in Differential Forms?

    I think that many of us have had to endure working with Lagrange multipliers in the past, but it seems to me that it has always been taught incorrectly. So the statement (if you will allow me to use differential forms) is Now my issue is that it's well-known that this should be...
  37. WannabeNewton

    Euler-Lagrange Equation for a Stationary Action

    Homework Statement If L(y, y', x) = y^{2} + y'^{2} then find the appropriate Euler Lagrange Equation. I have absolutely no idea how to solve this. I used the differential form of the Euler Lagrange equations for a stationary action but the answer i got was nothing like the answer in the book...
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    3D pendulum-spring-damper (Lagrange)

    [PLAIN]http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3623/pensp.jpg Homework Statement I need to find the equations of motions via Lagrange's formulation when the generalized coordinates are: \vec{q}=[x,y,z]^T2. The attempt at a solution I need to verify whether what I obtained so far is true or not...
  39. R

    Taylor Polynomials- Lagrange remainder

    So I'm studying for a final, and it just so happens my professor threw taylor polynomials at us in the last week.. I understand the concept of a taylor polynomial but i need some help fully understand the LaGrange remainder theorem if we have a function that has n derivatives on the interval...
  40. D

    Lagrange Multipliers: A theoretical question and an example

    Hello physicsforums community. I have recently learned about Lagrange multipliers and have been given three problems to solve. Could you guys please go over my work and see if I have the gist of it? One question, a theoretical one, I have no idea how to begin. Any advice regarding this would be...
  41. S

    Lagrange to find eigen values and vectors?

    Homework Statement im given a matrix A= 1 -2 ///////////////////////-2 4 im told to find the eigen values and the vectors... but the thing is i have never came across this, i learned lagrange multipliers but never used it to find eigen values and vector.. Homework Equations The...
  42. U

    Lagrange multipliers: Variables cancelling out?

    Find the maximum and minimum of f(x,y)=y2-x2 with the constraint x2/4 +y2=2. My calculus professor gave us this on his exam and there were no problems like this in the book and I would just like to know how it's done because it's bothering me ha. After doing the partial derivatives I got...
  43. T

    Lagrange Multipliers Find 3 positive numbers?

    Homework Statement Find 3 positive numbers x, y and z for which: their sum is 24 and which maximizes the product: P = x2y3z. Find the maximum product. The Attempt at a Solution Ok, I know how to set up the equations. x + y + z = 24 Delta(F) <2xy3z, 2x2y2z, x2y3> fx = 2xy3z...
  44. D

    Lagrange constraint mechanics problem

    http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3754/capturetp.png Just a simple question. I can see that for this to work I need: Trot = 1/5 ma2(thetaDOT + phiDOT)2 Just can't work out what phi has to do with rotational kinetic energy. I would have thought it would need to be simply the same thing but...
  45. L

    Interpolation using Lagrange polynomials

    Problem: We want to calculate a polynomial of degree N-1 that crosses N known points in the plane. Solution A: solving a NxN system of linear equation (Gauss elimination) Solution B: construction from Lagrange basis polynomials. One of my professors said that the first solution is...
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    Question of lagrange theorem converse.

    Homework Statement Let G be an abelian group. Suppose p divides ord(G) where p is prime no. Prove G has a subgroup of order p. Homework Equations lagrange theorem converse The Attempt at a Solution i know the converse is lagrange theorem and easy and this is not the case. I know...
  47. S

    Finding Minimum Values with Lagrange Multipliers

    Homework Statement Minimise = x2 + y2 subject to C(x,y) = 4x2 + 3y2 = 12. Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I let h(x,y) = x2 + y2 + \lambda(4x2 + 3y2 - 12). I got hx = 2x + 8\lambdax = 0, hy = 2y + 6\lambday = 0, but here I get 2 values of \lambda, \lambda = -1/4 &...
  48. D

    Lagrange Multipliers: Advantages & Necessity?

    I do not have one specific question that needs answering. Rather, it is about Lagrange multipliers in general. So for certain minimization/maximization questions (ie find the shortest distance from some point to some plane) it seems that one could solve the question using lagrange multipliers...
  49. T

    Lagrange Multipliers Question?

    Lagrange Multipliers Question? Homework Statement Find the minimum and maximum values of the function subject to the given constraint. f (x,y,z) = x^2 - y - z, x^2 - y^2 +z = 0 The Attempt at a Solution Okay this is what I did: Gradient f = <2x,-1,-1> Gradient g =...
  50. C

    Lagrange Points, Maximum mass and their effects

    So, I'm working through some ideas dealing with Lagrange points. I understand that, the rotation and mass of 2 objects in space create stable areas where an object of "insignificant Mass" compared to the objects it's balancing against, allows for the placement of an object in a stable area...
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