0-1A Bidirectional Current Source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around designing a bidirectional current source intended for measuring very small resistances (0.0001 Ohm). Participants explore circuit design elements, current ratings, and alternative measurement techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the role of 1K resistors and a capacitor in the circuit and how to increase the current rating to 1A, noting a limitation at 850mA during simulation.
  • Another participant suggests considering an AC bridge circuit, specifically the Kelvin Double Bridge, as a traditional method for measuring low resistance values.
  • A different participant expresses skepticism about the circuit's stability and proposes that increasing the 1K resistors might enhance drive capability.
  • One participant describes the circuit as unusual, highlighting the use of op-amp power to activate transistors and questioning the feedback mechanism. They suggest using a power op-amp like the TCA0372 and inquire about the load's grounding requirements.
  • Another participant explains that the 1K resistors should be low enough to prevent turning on power transistors with the op-amp's quiescent current and proposes using higher gain power transistors or cascading another transistor output stage with lower resistance for increased current output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the circuit design and alternative measurement methods, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the circuit's stability and feedback mechanisms, and there are differing opinions on the effectiveness of the proposed modifications and alternative approaches.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in circuit design for low resistance measurement, particularly in experimental or applied contexts, may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm trying to design a bidirectional current source for the purpose of measuring very small (0.0001 Ohm) resistances. I've come across this circuit:
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I can see that the transistors are there to 'boost' the current but I don't understand the purpose of the 1K resistors and the capacitor. I also don't follow how I can increase the current rating of this pump to 1A.

I've simulated the circuit in LTSpice and it works very well at 100mA but when I try to source or sink 1A I only get 850mA out.

Any suggestions on increasing the current sourcing/sinking ability of the above circuit to 1A or any other suggestions for such a pump?
 
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I don't have any opinion about that circuit, I'm afraid but I wonder whether you ever considered using an AC bridge circuit for measuring low resistance values? The Kelvin Double Bridge (Google it) has been used for ages to measure very low values of resistance. Old fashioned engineering is often a good way to go at the fringes of measurement.
 
I've read that circuit sucks (hard to keep stable), but have no experience with it. Maybe increasing the 1K resistors will increase the drive.
 
That's a bit of a weird circuit. It's using the power drawn by the opamp to turn on the transistors. (note the 1 k hom resistors are in the power supply leads.) (And I don't quite see how the feed back works.)

You might try a power opamp. Maybe the TCA0372. Can the load float or does it need to be grounded?
George H.
 
The 1k resistors must be low enough to not turn on the power transistors when the op-amp quiescent current flows. When op-amp output current flows, it turns on the power transistors as it must also flow through the 1k resistors.

To increase output current you could use higher gain power transistors such as Darlington pairs.
An alternative would be to cascade another transistor output stage, but use 100 ohm resistors for the final stage for ten times the current.
 

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