1D kinematics - finding g from time traveled

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The discussion focuses on calculating the acceleration due to gravity (g) by analyzing the time a body takes to pass two horizontal lines, A and B, during its upward and downward motion. The derived formula for g is g = 8h / (T_A^2 - T_B^2), where h is the height difference between the lines and T_A and T_B are the times taken to pass each line. The user initially struggles with the calculations but ultimately resolves the problem by considering the motion of the body as it falls from its maximum height. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying kinematic equations to derive the desired result. The problem is successfully solved with the provided hint, demonstrating the effectiveness of viewing the motion from a different perspective.
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Homework Statement


This is from Kleppner, problem 1.12 in the 2010 edition, if you want to see the diagram.

The acceleration of gravity can be measured by projecting a body upward and measuring the time that it takes to pass two given points in both directions. Show that if the time the body takes to pass a horizontal line ##A## in both directions is ##T_A##, and the time to go by a second line ##B## in both directions is ##T_B##, then, assuming that the acceleration is constant, its magnitude is
g = \frac{8 h}{T_A^2 - T_B^2},where ##h## is the height of line ##B## above line ##A##.

Homework Equations


##y = y_0 + \dot{y}_0 t - \frac12 g t^2##

##\dot{y} = \dot{y}_0 - g t##

The Attempt at a Solution


Since we're only interested in what happens above height ##A##, I'm going to make that my zero height, so the total flight time is ##T_A##, making the time for the body to reach its max height ##T_A / 2##. From that I can get the initial velocity from ##\dot{y} = 0 = \dot{y}_0 - g ( T_A / 2 )##, giving me
\dot{y}_0 = \frac{g T_A}{2}. So now I've got an equation for height
y = \frac{g}{2} ( T_A t - t^2 ),which I can use to find an expression for the max height by plugging in ##t = T_A / 2##:
y_{\text{max}} = \frac{g}{2} \left( T_A \frac{T_A}{2} - \frac{T_A^2}{4} \right) = \frac{g T_A^2}{8}.
I also want to know how long it takes to get to ##B##; I'll call that ##t_h##. Plugging that into my height equation,
h = \frac{g}{2} ( T_A t_h - t_h^2 ), and solving for ##t_h## I get
t_h = \frac{T_A}{2} \pm \frac12 \sqrt{T_A^2 - \frac{8 h}{g}}, the minus term being the time it takes to reach ##B## the first time and plus term the time it takes to reach ##B## the second time.

Now I'm going to focus on ##B##. I can get another expression for the max height by using time ##T_B/2## and initial velocity ##\dot{y}_B = \dot{y}_0 - g t_h##. Plugging in everything I have so far,
\dot{y}_B = \frac{g T_A}{2} - \left( \frac{g T_A}{2} - \frac12 \sqrt{T_A^2 - \frac{8 h}{g}} \right) = \frac12 \sqrt{T_A^2 - \frac{8 h}{g}}.And the equation for max height is
y_{\text{max}} = \frac{T_B}{2} \frac12 \sqrt{T_A^2 - \frac{8 h}{g}} - \frac{g}{2} \frac{T_B^2}{4} = \frac{T_B}{4} \sqrt{T_A^2 - \frac{8 h}{g}} - \frac{g T_B^2}{8} = \frac{g T_A^2}{8}.Simplifying,
T_B \sqrt{T_A^2 - \frac{8 h}{g}} = \frac{g}{2} ( T_A^2 + T_B^2 ).
Here's where I'm stymied. If there's a way to solve that for ##g##, I don't know it, and the magic equation-solving machines don't spit out anything nice, certainly not the given solution. So I suppose I've gone astray somewhere. Help?
 
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Looks overly complicated.

Hint: View the body as it falls, starting from the highest point.
 
Solved it. Thanks.
 
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