2 astronauts near a space station (no rotation)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gravitational forces acting on two astronauts positioned near a hollow cylindrical space station. The first part of the problem involves using Newton's law of gravitation to determine the force exerted by the space station on each astronaut, noting that the force on the astronaut at the center is zero. The second part focuses on the scenario where the second astronaut releases from a distance, requiring the calculation of his impact speed upon reaching the first astronaut, which is approached through gravitational potential energy. The calculations involve integrating the gravitational effects of the hollow cylinder and converting potential energy into kinetic energy to find the final speed. The discussion also touches on the need for verification of calculations and the relationship between potential and force derived from the gravitational equations.
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Homework Statement


You have a space station in space far from any planets or stars in form of a hollow cylinder with inner radius R1 outer R2 length L and density Rho. On a symetric axis z are 2 astronauts, 1 at the middle and the second at distance H=2L from the center of the bottom of the station. They both have mass m. http://puu.sh/tcfBz/001aed5f96.png

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a) with what force does the space station act on the first and the second astronaut? b) Second astronaut let's go (initial velocity = 0). With what speed does he hit the first astronaut?

Constants are given to get numerical answers.
m=80kg, rho=50kg/m^3, R_1=1km, R_2=2km, L=1km

Masses of the astronauts are negligible compared to the mass of the station.

Homework Equations


F=GmM/r^2
U=GmM/r[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


I solved the first part using Newtons grav law, the second part would be too ugly I thought with the line integral of the force over the whole path, so I tried attacking it with potential. I don't have the solution for this so I am wondering what you think, how "correct" this is.

(theres some variable swaps/using different/same variables for different/same stuff, would just like to know how correct this sounds like/thought process)
This is the axial force from 1(ONE) disk, radius: "R" height: "h", mass point height over its highest center point: "a" http://puu.sh/tcoq2/0a837d4f7b.jpg . The lower equation (F=) has to be integrated over all disks (*da right side, and /h right side) from a=a to a+h to get the cylinder, then you have to subtract the force of the smaller one from the bigger one to get the actual hollow cylinder of the space station. Force on the astro in the center is 0.

For the second part the relevant thing from the following pics is the circled equation http://puu.sh/tiShP/2375fde8a0.jpg , which is supposed to be my grav potential of 1(ONE) cylinder at the point "a" above it. I tried some mumbo jumbo stuff and changed to b=h/2+a so that its in terms of the distance from the middle of the cylinder (being b), since I realized fast that its going to change differently, depending if the point is INSIDE or OUTSIDE of the cylinder.

But after a while, I *think* I only need the outside version so I can then say all the potential went to kinetic energy mv^2/2=U. So after that integration from a=a to a+h you get that long expression at the end with arsinh-s and all that. Then you subtract the same integral but for the smaller cylinder from the bigger one and equate with mv^2/2. http://puu.sh/tiQwf/41ae9748d2.jpg Putting that into mathematica because my calc runs out of buffer space got: (v in m/s=cca. 0.09) http://puu.sh/tiPxU/672f14734d.png how correct/wrong does that seem like? Help appreciated in advance. (oh and also I swapped R_1 and R_2; R_2 being the smaller instead of the bigger radius, just notation; also L=h)
 
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Did you check the calculations with cases where you can find other approximations, e. g. the potential difference between two points far away from the cylinder (so its deviation from a sphere doesn't matter)?
Does the derivative of your potential agree with the force calculated before?
 
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