2-D car collision, finding speed and angle

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The discussion revolves around a two-dimensional car collision problem involving a 1000-kg car and a 1200-kg car, where the initial conditions and post-collision velocities are provided. Participants are tasked with determining the initial speed and direction of the lighter car before the collision using principles of momentum conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum in both x and y directions, raising questions about the correctness of the calculations and the setup of the equations. Some express confusion regarding the results obtained, particularly a value that exceeds known physical limits.

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Some participants have provided guidance on separating the equations for the x and y components to solve for the unknowns. There is a recognition of the need to verify calculations, and one participant has reported a successful outcome after following suggested approaches. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the initial calculations presented.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available and the methods permissible for solving the problem. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the equations used are appropriate for the scenario described.

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1. A 1000- kg car collides with a 1200- kg car that was initially at rest at the origin of an x-y coordinate system. After the collision, the lighter car moves at 25.0 km/h in a direction of 20 o with respect to the positive x axis. The heavier car moves at 28 km/h at -44 o with respect to the positive x axis.
What was the initial speed of the lighter car (in km/h)? What was the initial direction (as measured counterclockwise from the x-axis)?




2. x-momentum= m1v1cos(angle1) + m2v2cos(angle2)
y-momentum= m1v1sin(angle1) + m2v2sin(angle2)
magnitude momentum= sqrt(Xtotal)^2 + (Ytotal)^2
= sqrt((m1v1cos(angle1) + m2v2cos(angle2))^2 + ((m1v1sin(angle1) + m2v2sin(angle2))^2




3. By plugging into this equation, I come up with 49602.6 m/s, but it's not right. I need to get the velocity correct before I can make an attempt to find the initial direction
 
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clockworks204 said:
1. A 1000- kg car collides with a 1200- kg car that was initially at rest at the origin of an x-y coordinate system. After the collision, the lighter car moves at 25.0 km/h in a direction of 20 o with respect to the positive x axis. The heavier car moves at 28 km/h at -44 o with respect to the positive x axis.
What was the initial speed of the lighter car (in km/h)? What was the initial direction (as measured counterclockwise from the x-axis)?




2. x-momentum= m1v1cos(angle1) + m2v2cos(angle2)
y-momentum= m1v1sin(angle1) + m2v2sin(angle2)
magnitude momentum= sqrt(Xtotal)^2 + (Ytotal)^2
= sqrt((m1v1cos(angle1) + m2v2cos(angle2))^2 + ((m1v1sin(angle1) + m2v2sin(angle2))^2




3. By plugging into this equation, I come up with 49602.6 m/s, but it's not right. I need to get the velocity correct before I can make an attempt to find the initial direction

Firstly you need to use law of conservation of momentum for xaxis.
Then use for yaxis. Don't mix two axes. Two equations , two unknowns so you can find the correct answer.
 
clockworks204 said:
2. x-momentum= m1v1cos(angle1) + m2v2cos(angle2)
y-momentum= m1v1sin(angle1) + m2v2sin(angle2)
magnitude momentum= sqrt(Xtotal)^2 + (Ytotal)^2
= sqrt((m1v1cos(angle1) + m2v2cos(angle2))^2 + ((m1v1sin(angle1) + m2v2sin(angle2))^2


3. By plugging into this equation, I come up with 49602.6 m/s, but it's not right. I need to get the velocity correct before I can make an attempt to find the initial direction

Your relevant equations seem correct, but show us your work, and maybe we can help you find out what went wrong. You're correct that 49602.9 m/s isn't right. 49602.9 m/s is greater than Earth's escape velocity.
 
I will call the car with mass of 1000Kg car A, the other one car B. Applying conservation of momentum in the x and y directions we have:
mAVAx=mAVA'x + mBVB'x for the x-direction
we know all the masses and velocities after collision, therefore we can solve for VA which is the magnitude of the velocity in the x-direction. Following the same concept for the y-direction, I obtained magnitude of VA 50Km/h with an angle of -17.25 degrees from the x-axis. Someone confirm this.
 
Thank you all for your input! I was able to get the answer by splitting into the 2 equations like everybody said to do. 49.9 km/hr and 342.8 deg were the answers I came up with. Thanks again!
 

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