2 solutions to the same problem but which is the correct one?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net force on a positively charged test charge placed alongside a uniformly charged rod. Two methods are proposed to derive the force, leading to different results. The first method integrates the force contribution from each charge element along the rod and yields a force expression of F = KqQ/x(x+L). The second method, suggested by a professor, also integrates but appears to be flawed, leading to an inconsistent result. The consensus is that while the first method is correct, the second method's integration is improperly executed, causing the discrepancy in results.
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DO NOT USE GAUSS LAW BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LEARNT IT
You are given a positively charged rod of length L and of univform charge Q. TYhere is a positive test charge qo placed alongside this rod like the figure

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<-------distance x------>Q

find the net force on Q

First of all there is no y or z component so F refers to the x-axis only

One solution :

Let dq = YdL where Y is charge density
then dF = k dq Q/(L+x)^2

dF = kqYdL/(L+x)^2

integrating you get

F = kqY dL/L+x)^2 from 0 to L

then F = kqYL/x(L+x)

then resub for Y = Q /L

F = KqQ/x(x+L)

is there anything wrong with this solutioin please point out a mistake i don't seem to ppick up on.


My prof suggested this way

Divide the rod like so

++++++++++++++++<------distance x--------->Q
<----L/2---><---------(x - L/2)------------------->
then dq = Y dL

dF = k dq Q / (x-L/2)^2

dF = kYdLQ/ (x-L/2)^2

F = kYQ (integrate from 0 to L) dL / (x-L/2)^2

solving gives kqQ/x(2x-L) why this inconsistency of solutions i know one is wrong, but which one??
i have a feeling that the integration for the second one is not done properly...
 
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stunner5000pt said:
You are given a positively charged rod of length L and of univform charge Q. TYhere is a positive test charge qo placed alongside this rod like the figure

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<-------distance x------>Q

find the net force on qo
Please describe where q0 is placed. For example, if the charged rod extends from x = 0 to x = L, where is q0?
 
Doc Al said:
Please describe where q0 is placed. For example, if the charged rod extends from x = 0 to x = L, where is q0?
it i sm y typing mistake qo = Q

and Q is a distance x from the tip of the rod
 
stunner5000pt said:
One solution :

Let dq = YdL where Y is charge density
then dF = k dq Q/(L+x)^2

dF = kqYdL/(L+x)^2

integrating you get

F = kqY dL/L+x)^2 from 0 to L

then F = kqYL/x(L+x)

then resub for Y = Q /L

F = KqQ/x(x+L)

is there anything wrong with this solutioin please point out a mistake i don't seem to ppick up on.
Your notation is a bit confusing, but your answer is correct. I believe you probably solved it correctly. I'd write it like this:
Let an element of charge on the rod be: dQ = \lambda dx, where I use "x" as the variable specifying the distance of the charge element from q_0. (I'll call the distance of the test charge from the end of the rod x_0.)

So dF = k \lambda q_0/x^2 dx.
Integrate from x = x_0 to x_0 + L.
The answer is identical to yours.

I have no idea what your prof was telling you to do.
 
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stunner5000pt said:
You are given a positively charged rod of length L and of univform charge Q. TYhere is a positive test charge qo placed alongside this rod like the figure

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<-------distance x------>Q

find the net force on Q

First of all there is no y or z component so F refers to the x-axis only

One solution :

Let dq = YdL where Y is charge density
then dF = k dq Q/(L+x)^2

dF = kqYdL/(L+x)^2

integrating you get

F = kqY dL/L+x)^2 from 0 to L

then F = kqYL/x(L+x)

then resub for Y = Q /L

F = KqQ/x(x+L)

is there anything wrong with this solutioin please point out a mistake i don't seem to pick up on.
The method is correct but something is wrong.
We take an element 'dl' at a distance 'l' and not 'L'.then apply the same formulae and integrate from x to x+L.this gives u the correct result.

sriram
 
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