2nd order inhomo differential eq.

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order inhomogeneous differential equation of the form y'' = t^2. Participants are exploring methods to find a particular solution after establishing the general solution for the homogeneous part.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find a particular solution using a polynomial guess but expresses confusion regarding the coefficients and the nature of the solution. Some participants suggest using a specific form for the particular solution, while others clarify the distinction between the homogeneous and nonhomogeneous parts of the equation.

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Participants are actively discussing different approaches to finding the particular solution. Some guidance has been offered regarding the method of undetermined coefficients, and there is an ongoing exploration of the correct form for the particular solution. Multiple interpretations of the problem-solving method are being considered.

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There is mention of the original poster's unfamiliarity with certain methods and the constraints of the homework context, which may limit the exploration of solutions. The discussion reflects a learning environment where assumptions and methods are being questioned.

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Homework Statement



y'' = t^2


The Attempt at a Solution



The general solution to the homogenous diff equation is y(t)= C1 + tC2 i beliee. The particular solution is where i am having trouble.

the guess is of the form \alpha t^2 + \beta t + \gamma ... but taking 2 deriatives leads to just 2\alpha = t^2 ... this can only be zero if \alpha = \frac{t^2}{2} but this is something i haven't encountered as the constants are usually numeric values... and what about the rest of constants of beta and gamma?
 
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Try a particular solution of yp = At4.

The general solution will be the complementary solution (c1 + c2t) plus the particular solution.
 
Mark44 said:
Try a particular solution of yp = At4.

The general solution will be the complementary solution (c1 + c2t) plus the particular solution.

i am not following... i am trying to find a particular solution... am i not supposed to find a polynomial of similar degree with unknown coefficients and finding derivates and then equating it to the regular diff equation to solve for the coefficients... trying a particular solution, i am unfamiliar with this method.
 
You need to look at nonhomogenous equations in two separate parts: the homogeneous equation and then the nonhomogeneous equation.

For your problem, the homogeneous problem is y'' = 0, to which the solutions are y = c1 + c2t.

Any linear combination of the functions 1 and t (i.e., any sum of constant multiples of 1 and t) will end up at 0 when you take the derivative twice, so a particular solution can't be 1, or t or any constant multiple of these.

One function whose 2nd derivative is t2 is t4, so for a particular solution to the nonhomogeneous problem, I suggest trying yp = At4. Plug this into the nonhomog. equation and solve for the value of A that works (this is called the method of undetermined coefficients, IIRC.

Your general solution to the nonhomog. equation will be y = c1 + c2t + At4, and your job is to figure out what A needs to be.

There's a lot more I could say, but it's probably in your textbook and you haven't come to it yet.
 
@projection don't believe when they say you are "guessing" an answer - it's not a guess it's a METHOD. If you build a template by the correct method it will ALWAYS give you a correct answer in constant-coefficient-linear DEs (that the method can handle) :)

You didn't build the correct template because you did it not by the METHOD.
I hope Mark44 explained it in a way you will understand :)
 

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