Lead/Lag compensator - lead and lag time to pole and zero locations

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The discussion centers on converting pole and zero locations of a lead-lag compensator into lead and lag time, and vice versa. The original poster has a digital compensator requiring gain, lead time, and lag time, but only has the poles and zeros. A response suggests using a Bode Plot to analyze gain and phase margin, noting that poles contribute to lead and zeros to lag. However, the original poster emphasizes their need for time-domain specifications and expresses confusion about deriving lead and lag time from the transfer function or Bode plot. The conversation highlights the challenge of translating between frequency and time domain representations in control theory.
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Hi,

I am having difficulty understanding how to convert pole and zero locations of a lead lag compensator into lead and lag time and vise versa.

I have a digital lead and lag compensator which requests: gain, lead time (min) and lag time (min). However i have the gain zeros and poles of the compensator.

If someone can tell me how to do this i would be most grateful.


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adamkse said:
Hi,

I am having difficulty understanding how to convert pole and zero locations of a lead lag compensator into lead and lag time and vise versa.

I have a digital lead and lag compensator which requests: gain, lead time (min) and lag time (min). However i have the gain zeros and poles of the compensator.

If someone can tell me how to do this i would be most grateful.


Adam

Given the DC gain and poles and zeros of the transfer function, you should be able to make a Bode Plot that will show you your gain and phase margin. A pole gives you lead, and a zero gives you lag. You can adjust the position of the poles and zeros to ensure that you have adequate phase margin to ensure stability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bode_plot

Although I notice that the concept of lead-lag compensation may be treated a bit differently in control theory, compared to the circuit design context that I'm familiar with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-lag_compensator

Hope that helps.
 
yes i know that you can draw a bode plot from it to get the phase and gain margins but my specs are in the time domain so I have it in transfer function form like K.(s+zd)(s+zg)/(s+pd)(s+pg) where d is for lead and g is for lag. I don't understand how I can get this lag or lead time from either the bode plot or the root locus.
 
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