5 charges placed at 5 vertices of a regular hexagon

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When five charges are placed at the vertices of a regular hexagon, the electric field at the center is calculated to be q/(4πε₀a²), while the potential at the center is 5q/(4πε₀a). A participant questions the consistency of these results with the integral V = -∫E•dr, suggesting that the potential derived from this integral does not match the earlier calculation. The discussion emphasizes that to find the electric field from the potential, one must calculate the gradient of the potential and consider the symmetry of the charge distribution. Ultimately, the confusion arises from misunderstanding the relationship between electric field and potential in this specific configuration.
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If 5 charges (each q) are placed at 5 vertex of a regular hexagon of side a then effectively the electric field at the centre of the hexagon is $$\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0} $$
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If 5 charges (each q) are placed at 5 vertex of a regular hexagon of side a then effectively the electric field at the centre of the hexagon is $$\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0} $$
If 5 charges (each q) are placed at 5 vertex of a regular hexagon of side a then effectively the electric field at the centre of the hexagon is $$\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0a^2} $$ but the potential is $$\frac{5q}{4\pi\epsilon_0a}$$ but then what about $$V=-\int \textbf{E•dr}$$
 
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Apashanka said:
If 5 charges (each q) are placed at 5 vertex of a regular hexagon of side a then effectively the electric field at the centre of the hexagon is
A hexagon has six vertexes. Perhaps you meant a pentagon? Or should one vertex be left without a charge?
 
gneill said:
A hexagon has six vertexes. Perhaps you meant a pentagon? Or should one vertex be left without a charge?
One vertex left without charge
 
Apashanka said:
but then what about $$V=-\int \textbf{E•dr}$$
What about it? It's a line integral (or more generally a path integral), so you need to define two endpoints and a path between them.
 
If you are asking how to find the electric field from the potential, you need to find the potential at a point ##\{x,y\}## off the center, find the gradient ##\text{-}\vec \nabla V## and then calculate it at the origin. However, there is a quicker way to answer this question that exploits symmetry and superposition.
 
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The electric field is a vector quantity so you need also to specify the direction of the field.
 
kuruman said:
If you are asking how to find the electric field from the potential, you need to find the potential at a point ##\{x,y\}## off the center, find the gradient ##\text{-}\vec \nabla V## and then calculate it at the origin. However, there is a quicker way to answer this question that exploits symmetry and superposition.
From symmetry the field at the centre due to 4 point charges gets canceled and therefore the field due to all the 5 point charges will actually be due to a single point charge at the centre which is $$\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0a^2}$$ and similarly the potential at the centre due to all the 5 point charges is $$\frac{5q}{4\pi\epsilon_0a}$$
My question is from $$V=-\int E • dr$$ here in this case we get the potential as $$\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0a}$$ which is not consistent with above??
 
How do you get that potential from that integral? Are you trying to integrate kq/a2 with a as the variable? That is not correct. kq/a2 is the value of the field at the centre; it is not a formula for the field over a space defined by the supposed variable a.
 
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