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The discussion revolves around two key physics questions regarding photon interactions with electrons. When a photon with energy between the ground state and second energy level (X and Y) interacts with an electron, it remains unabsorbed and passes through, only minimally affecting the atom's momentum. For photons lacking sufficient energy to liberate a photoelectron, they do not cause liberation and instead reflect off the surface, although some participants debated the possibility of energy absorption and re-emission. The consensus indicates that if a photon does not meet the work function energy, it is reflected rather than absorbed. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of energy levels and conservation in photon-electron interactions.
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While studying for my final exam in physics I have come across some problems that I need resolved.

1) Suppose a the energy required to bring an electron in the ground state of an atom to the second energy level is X J and the energy to bring it to the third is Y J. What happens to a photon that is incident upon this election with ana energy between X and Y?

2) Similar to the last question...What happens to a photon that does not have enough energy to liberate a photoelectron from a photoelectric surface?
 
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-1- I think it depends on the material, but I'm not sure. What have you learned about phonons?

-2- Seems like it could be reflected or absorbed. Is there more information?
 
2 very interesting questions. Pretty relevant to what I would be tested on also. If you do get the answers do post it here if you don't mind! Thanks!
 
al_201314 said:
2 very interesting questions. Pretty relevant to what I would be tested on also. If you do get the answers do post it here if you don't mind! Thanks!

After talking to a few classmates, it appears that if a photon does not have an energy greater than the work function of a metal it is reflected away. I don't agree with this. Couldnt an electron absorb the photon, move to a potential within the metal lower than 0 J, but fall back down to the work function and reemmit the photon?

I am still curious about the first question. I don't think its answer depends on the atoms.
 
Atomos said:
While studying for my final exam in physics I have come across some problems that I need resolved.

1) Suppose a the energy required to bring an electron in the ground state of an atom to the second energy level is X J and the energy to bring it to the third is Y J. What happens to a photon that is incident upon this election with ana energy between X and Y?
The photon would simply be unabsorbed. It would go through unaffected (actually, it would interact a bit with the entire atom as a whole, giving it a bit of overall momentum but this is a very small effect for visible or near visible radiation, it's only at very large energies/very small wavelengths that this becomes an important factor as in the Compton effect)
 
Atomos said:
After talking to a few classmates, it appears that if a photon does not have an energy greater than the work function of a metal it is reflected away. I don't agree with this. Couldnt an electron absorb the photon, move to a potential within the metal lower than 0 J, but fall back down to the work function and reemmit the photon?

That's what "reflected" means.
 
StatusX said:
That's what "reflected" means.
:smile: sorry

Thanks for the help nrqed and StatusX.
 
nrqed said:
The photon would simply be unabsorbed. It would go through unaffected (actually, it would interact a bit with the entire atom as a whole, giving it a bit of overall momentum but this is a very small effect for visible or near visible radiation, it's only at very large energies/very small wavelengths that this becomes an important factor as in the Compton effect)

Is it to say that then the reflected photon has less energy because of this?
 
Atomos said:
While studying for my final exam in physics I have come across some problems that I need resolved.

1) Suppose a the energy required to bring an electron in the ground state of an atom to the second energy level is X J and the energy to bring it to the third is Y J. What happens to a photon that is incident upon this election with ana energy between X and Y?

2) Similar to the last question...What happens to a photon that does not have enough energy to liberate a photoelectron from a photoelectric surface?

1) Take note that in order to excite an electron to a higher energy state, there's only one number required, that is the excitation energy and nothing else. For your question, the photon will excite to 1st energy level and the remaining energy becomes its KE. It does not reach 2nd energy level.

2) By energy conservation, one photon liberates one electron. If there is insufficient energy, the photon simply bounces off the electron. No liberation of electron takes place.
 
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