A GR question about null surfaces, vectors and coordinates

In summary: In GR, we use the metric tensor to define a scalar product between two vectors. In summary, a null vector is a vector with zero length in the context of general relativity. A null surface is a surface with null tangent vectors, and a null geodesic is a geodesic with a null tangent vector. There is a close connection between null vectors and null geodesics. A null coordinate is a coordinate where the vector field associated with it is null. This can be seen in the example of the event horizon of a black hole. In this case, the vector field associated with the coordinate is null on the horizon.
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I wondered anyone can explain the significance of the above as applied to metrics in the context of general relativity. This came up when the video lecturer in GR mentioned that r for example, was null or this or that vector or surface was null, say in the context of the eddington finkelstein coordinate system. I am unable to grasp the meaning or significance of the word null. I think null geodesics are clear however but even here not sure if there is any connection with null vectors etc.
 
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A null vector is a vector whose length is zero; that is, a vector ##k^a## such that ##g_{ab} k^a k^b = 0##, where ##g_{ab}## is the metric. One of the things that makes spacetime different from an ordinary Riemannian space is that you can have vectors with zero length that are not the zero vector.

A null surface is a surface that has null tangent vectors; in other words, there are null vectors that lie completely within the surface. For example, the event horizon of a black hole is a null surface.

A null geodesic is just a geodesic whose tangent vector is null; for example, the worldline of a light ray traveling through a vacuum is a null geodesic. So there is indeed a close connection between null vectors and null geodesics.
 
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Ok thanks I especially found helpful your comment about 4 vectors that have zero length but that are not the zero vector. A follow on question if ok : what then is a null coordinate.
 
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It means the vector field associated with the coordinate is null.
 
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Ok many thanks to you both for clarifying.
 
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By the way, in case you wanted an example, consider the surface ##\Sigma## given by ##r = 2M## in Schwarzschild space-time. The vector field ##\nabla r## is a normal vector field to ##\Sigma##. Now ##\nabla r = g^{\mu r}\partial_{\mu} = (1 - \frac{2M}{r})\partial_r## so ##g(\nabla r, \nabla r) = (1 - \frac{2M}{r})##. On ##\Sigma## then, ##g(\nabla r, \nabla r) = 0## so ##\nabla r## is null on ##\Sigma## meaning ##\Sigma## is a null hypersurface ("hyper" because it is of codimension 1); this is of course just the event horizon of the Schwarzschild black hole.

Note that for any tangent vector ##v \in T_p \Sigma##, ##v \perp \nabla r## implies that ##v## is itself null so this is equivalent to Peter's definition above.
 
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Hi again, I am a bit unfamiliar with the notation here, how is g(del-r, del-r) defined?
 
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qtm912 said:
Hi again, I am a bit unfamiliar with the notation here, how is g(del-r, del-r) defined?
That's the scalar product (the dot product) of the vector field del-r with itself.
 

Related to A GR question about null surfaces, vectors and coordinates

What is a null surface?

A null surface is a surface in spacetime where the spacetime interval between any two points is equal to zero. This means that light rays traveling along the surface will not experience any change in their proper time. Examples of null surfaces include event horizons of black holes and the surface of a gravitational wave.

What are vectors in GR?

In general relativity, vectors are mathematical objects that represent displacement and direction in spacetime. They are used to describe the curvature of spacetime and how particles move through it. Vectors are often represented by arrows and have both magnitude and direction.

How are coordinates used in GR?

Coordinates are used in GR to describe the position and motion of objects in spacetime. They are used to measure distances, angles, and time intervals. In general relativity, coordinates are often curved due to the curvature of spacetime itself.

What is the relationship between coordinates and vectors in GR?

In GR, coordinates and vectors are closely related. Coordinates are used to define the components of a vector, which can then be used to describe the direction and magnitude of a displacement in spacetime. Vectors are also used to define the basis vectors of the coordinate system.

How do null surfaces relate to vectors and coordinates in GR?

Null surfaces play an important role in the study of vectors and coordinates in GR. They are often used as reference surfaces for measuring distances and angles in curved spacetime. Vectors can also be defined on null surfaces, and coordinates can be used to describe their components and properties.

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