A particle on the edge of an inclined spinning disc

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equations of motion for a particle fixed to the edge of an inclined spinning disc in a gravitational field. The Lagrangian is established as L = (R^2/2)m(θ̇² + sin²(θ)φ̇²) + mgRcos(θ). Participants express uncertainty about whether using this Lagrangian will yield the correct equations of motion for φ and θ, given the constraints of the particle's movement. Suggestions include treating the particle's motion as constrained to a great circle on a sphere and using cylindrical coordinates with specific constraints on height. The conversation highlights the complexities of defining the motion in relation to the chosen coordinate system and the implications for the resulting equations of motion.
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Homework Statement


A particle is fixed to the edge of a disc of negligible mass making an angle θ0 with the ground in a uniform gravitational field, and is free to rotate about the center of the disc. I need to find the equations of motion.

Homework Equations


The definition of the Lagrangian in spherical coordinates,

##\frac{1}{2}m(\dot{r}^2 + r^2\dot{\theta}^2 + r^2sin^2{\theta}\dot{\phi}^2) - U(r, \phi, \theta)##

where ##\theta## is given to be the angle of altitude and ##\phi## is the azimuthal angle.

The Attempt at a Solution


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It was easy to find the Lagrangian to be

##L = \frac{R^2}{2}m(\dot{\theta}^2 + sin^2{\theta}\dot{\phi}^2) + mgrcos{\theta}##

It is from here that I do not know how to proceed. Wouldn't using that Lagrangian to find the equations of motion for ##\phi## and ##\theta## just get me the equations of motion for a particle constrained to move?

The first thing I've thought to try is to treat the particle as though it is moving on the surface of a sphere, fixed to move along the great circle produced by the plane passing through the center of the sphere and making an angle θ0 with its equator, then I could use the equation of the great circle as a constraint relating ##\phi## and ##\theta##, but I'm struggling to find the parametric equations for a great circle.

The other thing I tried was to use cylindrical coordinates and impose the constraint that the height ##z## is some function of ##\phi##. My guess is that this function would be something of the form ##z = Rcos{\theta_0}cos{\phi}##, then use ## f = z - Rcos{\theta_0}cos{\phi} = 0## as my equation of constraint. This gets me the equations

##\ddot{\phi} + \frac{\lambda}{R}cos{\theta_0}sin{\phi} = 0##
##\ddot{z} - g + \frac{\lambda}{m} = 0##

It is from there that I do not know how to proceed.
 
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