A problem in rigid bodies equillibrium

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem related to the equilibrium of a platform assembly with weights and a counterweight. Participants explore the conditions necessary to prevent the platform from tipping over, focusing on the forces and moments involved in the system.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the direction of the counterweight, suggesting it should point upwards due to its name, "counterweight," while another clarifies that it points downwards as it is a weight acting under gravity.
  • There is a discussion about the correct equation for moments about point D, with one participant asserting that the normal force at point C should be included in the moment equation, while another participant explains that the equilibrium condition requires the moment about D to be zero.
  • Participants discuss the implications of insufficient weight at point B, indicating that it would lead to a downward reaction force at point C to maintain equilibrium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the normal force and the direction of the counterweight. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the problem, as some participants challenge the provided solution while others defend it.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the problem statement and the assumptions made regarding the forces acting on the platform, particularly concerning the normal force and its contribution to the moments about point D.

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Homework Statement



The platform assembly has weight W1 and center of gravity at G1. If it is intended to support a
maximum load W2 placed at point G2,,determine the smallest counterweight W that should be
placed at B in order to prevent the platform from tipping over.

Homework Equations



Equilibrium of rigid bodies

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, the steps are quite easy only if the FBD is drawn correctly... First of all, in the solution given in the second thumbnail, the counterweight points downwards.. Why is it so?? Isn't it COUNTER weight so it points upwards... Anyway, I let it go... Secondly and most importantly, in the solution's approach they equated the moment about D to be 0... As far as I know the 'correct' equation should be

-W2.f + W1.c + WB.(b+c) +Nc.(a+b+c)= 0 ... However, in the book they omit the last part on the left side which is ignoring the normal at C as if it doesn't create any moment about D... Can someone explain this??

Thanks to whoever gives me a kind hand!


 

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The problem with your image is it's only a thumbnail. Do you have a larger version which can actually be seen?
 
SteamKing said:
The problem with your image is it's only a thumbnail. Do you have a larger version which can actually be seen?

I have uploaded a larger and better picture.. Thanks for noting!
 
ehabmozart said:
Well, the steps are quite easy only if the FBD is drawn correctly... First of all, in the solution given in the second thumbnail, the counterweight points downwards.. Why is it so?? Isn't it COUNTER weight so it points upwards...

It's called a 'counter weight' not because it defies the law of gravity, but because it serves to counter the tipping action which the platform would undergo if this weight were not present. It's a weight (it has mass) just like the weight of the platform, so its direction is pointing toward the center of the earth.

Anyway, I let it go... Secondly and most importantly, in the solution's approach they equated the moment about D to be 0...

Since the platform is in equilibrium, the moment about D (or any other point) must be zero.
Similarly, the sum of all the forces acting on the platform must be zero as well.

As far as I know the 'correct' equation should be

-W2.f + W1.c + WB.(b+c) +Nc.(a+b+c)= 0 ... However, in the book they omit the last part on the left side which is ignoring the normal at C as if it doesn't create any moment about D... Can someone explain this??

The problem is asking you to find the minimum amount of weight to put at point B which would keep the platform from tipping over. Clearly, if there is insufficient weight at point B, then the reaction force at point C must be directed downward to keep the platform in equilibrium, in order to counteract the moment caused by the man in the bucket wanting to tip over the platform. By calculating the value of the counterweight at B which gives a zero reaction at point C, then the minimum value of the weight has been determined. If more than this amount of weight is placed at point B, then a positive reaction at point C would develop in order to keep the platform in equilibrium.
 

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