A question about dehumidifiers and condensation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of heat sinks in dehumidifiers, specifically focusing on the use of thick, well-spaced fins versus thinner fins. Participants explore the implications of these design choices on heat transfer efficiency and condensation effectiveness, considering factors such as humidity levels and the role of condensate management.

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Main Points Raised

  • Johann questions whether the design choice of thick, well-spaced fins allows for water droplets to form and fall without bridging the gap, or if it is due to the potential inefficiency of having too much surface area requiring more air to reach the dew point.
  • One participant suggests that a smaller cold sink can achieve a lower temperature for a given rate of heat transfer, which may enhance condensation effectiveness.
  • Another participant agrees with the idea that a lower temperature is beneficial for condensation, particularly in the context of 100% humidity.
  • There is a discussion about the primary function of a dehumidifier being to reduce humidity, which may influence design choices compared to condensers.
  • A participant notes the challenge of managing condensate, which can insulate and raise the equilibrium temperature of the heat sink surface, potentially affecting condensation rates.
  • Concerns are raised about the need for the hot sink to effectively dissipate heat through radiation or convection while the cold sink should minimize heat gain from radiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the effectiveness of different heat sink designs and their implications for condensation. There is no consensus on the optimal design or the specific conditions under which one design may outperform another.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of condenser heat sink design, noting that existing literature often focuses on larger systems with different configurations.

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Hi guys!

My question is about the heat sinks (cold side) used in some dehumidifiers. It appears that thick, well spaced fins are used, as opposed to a larger number of thin fins, which I would expect to provide better heat transfer.

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Am I right in assuming that this is to allow space for water droplets to form and fall without bridging the gap between fins?

Or is it because the extra surface area would be conterproductive as it would mean a larger quantity of air would need to be reduced to the dew point before the heat transfer becomes useful? If so, would the multiple thin fins be more efficient in the hyperthetical case of 100% humidity?

Any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Johann
 
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A small cold sink will reach a lower temperature for a given rate of heat transfer. I would imagine that would make for more effective condensation because you want to be well below the dew point.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
A small cold sink will reach a lower temperature for a given rate of heat transfer. I would imagine that would make for more effective condensation because you want to be well below the dew point.

So you would agree with the hypothetical about the 100% humidity?
 
YoshiBeans said:
So you would agree with the hypothetical about the 100% humidity?

I guess so. But the point of a dehumidifier is to reduce humidity, is it not? Otoh, if it is used as a condenser, the design could be different (?).
 
sophiecentaur said:
I guess so. But the point of a dehumidifier is to reduce humidity, is it not? Otoh, if it is used as a condenser, the design could be different (?).

True, but unfortunately I can't find much on condenser heat sink design as they are normally larger and use finned pipes with gas or fluid refrigerant instead.
 
So what do you actually want to achieve?
I still think that the cold sink temperature needs to be as low as possible and that is why it's relative small. There is a problem in getting rid of the condensate fast enough because it tends to act as an insulator, increasing the equilibrium temperature of the surface in contact with the air. The hot sink needs to work with radiation or convection whereas the cold sink works by contact with the damp air and should avoid heat gain by radiation as that would reduce the condensation rate. (I just thought of that but I think it must be relevant)
 

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