A question about temperature and wind motion, and hello

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of smoke in relation to temperature differences and air movement, particularly why smoke from a cigarette flows into a warmer house despite the general principle that heat flows from hot to cold. The scope includes conceptual understanding of thermodynamics and air dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that smoke flows into a warmer house, questioning the expected behavior based on thermodynamic principles.
  • Another participant suggests that the observed phenomenon is due to air movement rather than heat transfer, noting that hot air rises and cold air enters from below.
  • A different participant clarifies that heat transfer refers to energy exchange between hot and cold objects, not the movement of hot objects themselves, and proposes that smoke follows air flow patterns influenced by open doors or windows.
  • One participant introduces a hypothetical scenario involving a fireplace and an open window, prompting further consideration of air flow direction in such a case.
  • Another participant agrees with the idea that hot air may be escaping through the top of the door while cold air enters from the bottom, suggesting a specific mechanism for the observed smoke behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms at play, with some focusing on air movement and others on thermodynamic principles. No consensus is reached regarding the primary explanation for the smoke behavior.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about air flow dynamics and the specific conditions of the house are not fully explored, leaving room for further investigation into the interactions between temperature, air density, and smoke behavior.

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First of all, just registered, first post. So hi all, just started undergrad course in physics at kent so may pop up here quite a bit :)

So, I was just outside, having a smoke, standing in the doorway of the house. Now I've noticed this before and not thought it about as much but the smoke from my roll-up always flows back into the much warmer house. From my understanding of thermodynamics heat always flows from hot to cold. So I would expect the smoke to all go away from the house as outside is considerably colder.

I had some thoughts trying to explain it but won't chance my arm hehe. So, anyone know or have an idea as to why this is?
 
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I'm not certain, but this is my best guess.

What you are witnessing is not heat transfer, but air movement. Hot air is less dense than cold air, and it rises and leaves the house near the top, while cold air enters from the bottom. (Your house is not air tight)

I could be incorrect, so hopefully someone else can clarify.
 
heat always flows from hot to cold.
This does not mean "hot things flow from hot to cold" - it means that hot things in contact with cold things will cool down, and transfer energy to the cold things.

Your smoke just follows the air flow. Two possible reasons why it enters the house there:
- you have another open door/window somewhere else, and wind flows through your house
- you have another open door/window above that door, and hot air flows upwards (similar to a chimney)
 
RyanJH said:
First of all, just registered, first post. So hi all, just started undergrad course in physics at kent so may pop up here quite a bit :)

So, I was just outside, having a smoke, standing in the doorway of the house. Now I've noticed this before and not thought it about as much but the smoke from my roll-up always flows back into the much warmer house. From my understanding of thermodynamics heat always flows from hot to cold. So I would expect the smoke to all go away from the house as outside is considerably colder.

I had some thoughts trying to explain it but won't chance my arm hehe. So, anyone know or have an idea as to why this is?

If you had fire going in your fireplace and opened a window on a cold winter day, which way you would expect the air to flow through the window?
 
I think a more likely effect is that hot air is flowing up and out through the top portion of the door opening, and cold air is flowing in through the bottom portion of the door opening.
 

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