A rotating rod acted upon by a perpendicular force

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a rotating rod subjected to a perpendicular force. Participants are exploring the relationships between torque, moment of inertia, angular acceleration, and angular velocity in the context of rigid body dynamics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to derive equations relating torque and angular motion, questioning the dimensional consistency of certain expressions. There is discussion about the implications of varying parameters such as the angle theta and the location of the applied force on the rod.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and clarifying misunderstandings. Some have suggested integrating equations under the assumption of constant angular acceleration, while others are exploring how to relate angular displacement to time.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted omission in the original problem regarding the point of application of the force on the rod, which may affect the analysis. Additionally, some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of the principles involved in rigid body dynamics.

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Homework Statement
A uniform rod of mass M and length L pivoted at its center of mass is acted upon by a force F perpendicular to the line passing through the center of the rod. (the force F remains perpendicular always to the line passing through the center of the rod) find the time taken by the rod to cover an angle theta?
Relevant Equations
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$$\tau = I\alpha$$
$$FL/2 = I\omega^2L/2$$
$$T = 1/\theta \sqrt{F/I}$$

would this be correct?
I came up with this more basic question to solve a slightly harder question so I do not know the answer to the above-stated problem.
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
$$\tau = I\alpha$$
Yes.
Hamiltonian299792458 said:
$$FL/2 = I\omega^2L/2$$
How did you get this? It is dimensionally inconsistent.
Hamiltonian299792458 said:
$$T = 1/\theta \sqrt{F/I}$$
Does it make sense that increasing theta reduces the time?
 
haruspex said:
How did you get this? It is dimensionally inconsistent.
disclaimer I am new to rigid body dynamics

i thought the ##\tau## = FL/2 = I##\alpha## = I##\omega^2##(L/2)
from this I got ##\sqrt{F/I} = \omega##
my final answer is $$ t = \theta\sqrt{I/F}$$
not what I stated above
 
Hamiltonian299792458 said:
##I\alpha = I\omega^2(L/2)##
You seem to have a basic misunderstanding there. What principle are you using?
 
haruspex said:
You seem to have a basic misunderstanding there. What principle are you using?
ok I think I get what I did wrong there.
$$I\alpha = Id(\omega)/dt$$ not what is wrote above
 
Hamiltonian299792458 said:
ok I think I get what I did wrong there.
$$I\alpha = Id(\omega)/dt$$ not what is wrote above
Ok, so integrate that, knowing alpha is constant.
Btw, the question omits to say where along the rod the force acts. I see you are taking it to be at the tip.
 
haruspex said:
Ok, so integrate that, knowing alpha is constant.
Btw, the question omits to say where along the rod the force acts. I see you are taking it to be at the tip.
$$\omega = FLt/2I$$

$$t = 2\sqrt{I\theta/FL}$$
 
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haruspex said:
Right, but you won’t need the second equation.
So how to get from there to an equation involving theta?
we need to find t(##\theta##)
and $$\omega = d\theta/dt$$
so u can just replace ##\omega## with what I have stated above
 
$$t = 2\sqrt{I\theta/FL}$$
 
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thanks for all the help :D
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
$$t = 2\sqrt{I\theta/FL}$$
Sorry about my previous post... I misread yours. I've deleted it.
 

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