Abstract Algebra - Orbit of a permutation

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The discussion revolves around finding the orbits of a given permutation defined by the function \(\sigma(n) = n - 3\). Participants express confusion regarding the format of this permutation compared to more familiar forms, leading to questions about how to interpret and analyze it.

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  • Participants attempt to understand the mapping of integers under the permutation and question how to express orbits in this context. Some explore specific examples and patterns, while others clarify definitions and seek to understand the implications of the permutation's structure.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications about the nature of the permutation and its orbits. Some have begun to identify patterns and express excitement about their understanding, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definition of orbits and how they apply to the given permutation format. Participants are also navigating the implications of working with integers and the specific mappings defined by \(\sigma\).

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For this problem, I have to find all orbits of given permutation.

\sigma: \mathbb{Z} \rightarrow \mathbb{Z}

Where,

\sigma(n)=n-3

Now, the problem is I do not know how to approach this permutation in the given format.

All the permutations I dealt with were in the form:

<br /> <br /> \mu = \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 1\ 2\ 3\ 4\ 5\ 6\\<br /> 1\ 2\ 3\ 4\ 5\ 6<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br /> <br />

Which I understand. But I do not understand the sigma permutation first mentioned. I tried another example where I had an answer to σ(n)=n+2, but I did not understand how that answer was achieved.

If someone can guide me with a start that'd be great.
 
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The sigma format makes it much harder to see what's going on with the permutation.

All it really is though is sending the nth element to the n - 3 element. So 4 goes to 1, 3 goes to 6, 2 goes to 5...


<br /> \mu = \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 1\ 2\ 3\ 4\ 5\ 6\\<br /> 4\ 5\ 6\ 1\ 2\ 3<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br />
 
No that's not quite correct. Sigma is a map from the integers to the integers, so you can't express it like that. The map is what it says it is

\sigma(3) = 3-3=0<br />
\sigma(5) = 5-3= 2 and so forth. Basically sigma is just shifting the integers three places over
 
Sorry i thought it was an element of the symmetric group of degree 6.
 
miqbal said:
The sigma format makes it much harder to see what's going on with the permutation.

All it really is though is sending the nth element to the n - 3 element. So 4 goes to 1, 3 goes to 6, 2 goes to 5...<br /> \mu = \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 1\ 2\ 3\ 4\ 5\ 6\\<br /> 4\ 5\ 6\ 1\ 2\ 3<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br />

I tried thinking of it that way. I originally thought n=1 -> -2, n=2 -> -1, n=3 -> 0, n=4 -> 1, then 1 -> -2. So that would be an orbit. So looking at the structure so to say, looked like each orbit consisted of 4 elements. But then the -2, -1, 0 kinda disappeared? I was not comfortable with it. Let's just say that.

Office_Shredder said:
No that's not quite correct. Sigma is a map from the integers to the integers, so you can't express it like that. The map is what it says it is

\sigma(3) = 3-3=0<br />
\sigma(5) = 5-3= 2 and so forth. Basically sigma is just shifting the integers three places over

Ok, but what about \sigma(1) = 1-3=-2<br />

1 is an integer, -2 is an integer, why doesn't that work?
 
\sigma(1)=-2 is true.

What is the definition of an orbit here? It helps to find out what the question is actually asking in this context
 
Office_Shredder said:
\sigma(1)=-2 is true.

What is the definition of an orbit here? It helps to find out what the question is actually asking in this context

Taken from First course in Abstract Algebra:

Let \sigma be a permutation of a set A. The equivalence classes in A determined by the equivalence relation (1) are the orbits of \sigma.

Definition is a bit high on vocabulary, but I think I understand it.

For example, in the following:

<br /> <br /> \sigma = \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8\\<br /> 4 \ 3 \ 2 \ 8 \ 5 \ 1 \ 7 \ 6<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br /> <br />

The orbits are:

<br /> <br /> \{1, 4, 8, 6\} \ \ \{2, 3\} \ \ \{5\} \ \ \{7\}

But I am a bit confused how to determine an orbit with the form given in original post.
 
So look at the orbit of 1. Let's see what some elements in it are

\sigma(1)=-2, \sigma(-2)=-5, \sigma(-5)=-8,

and in the other direction

\sigma(4)=1, \sigma(7)=4

noticing a pattern?
 
Office_Shredder said:
So look at the orbit of 1. Let's see what some elements in it are

\sigma(1)=-2, \sigma(-2)=-5, \sigma(-5)=-8,

and in the other direction

\sigma(4)=1, \sigma(7)=4

noticing a pattern?

Omg. It totally clicked. I am so contributing to this forum. Member by tomorrow night that's for sure. The ultimate source for tutoring. Best thing is, never yet have I gotten just an answer. Always an explanation to help me solve it myself. A lot of nice people with patience on here. Thank you very much! I am so excited, high hopes for the next test! :)

Orbits will be:

<br /> \{3n\ |\ n \ \epsilon \ \mathbb{Z}\} \ \ \{3n-1\ |\ n \ \epsilon \ \mathbb{Z}\} \ \ \{3n-2\ |\ n \ \epsilon \ \mathbb{Z}\}<br />
 

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