Advanced Heat Transfer - Conduction Cooling in Turbine Blade

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) related to heat transfer in a turbine blade modeled as a one-dimensional fin. Participants explore the formulation of the problem, the energy balance, and the methods for finding the non-homogeneous solution of the ODE.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem setup, including boundary conditions and parameters such as temperature, area, and heat transfer coefficients.
  • Another participant questions the formulation of the energy balance, suggesting corrections to signs and terms in the equations.
  • There is a discussion about the complementary solution of the ODE, with one participant noting the absence of the negative-root solution and the variable x in the exponent.
  • Participants discuss the need for boundary conditions to determine the constants in the solution, with suggestions for conditions at the base and tip of the fin.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity introduced by relating heat transfer at the tip to conduction through the fin, particularly regarding the unknown temperature at the tip, T(L).
  • A later reply indicates that one participant successfully solved the problem, arriving at a solution involving hyperbolic functions after extensive algebra.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the formulation of the problem and the need for boundary conditions, but there are disagreements regarding specific details in the energy balance and the correct approach to finding the particular solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to relate heat transfer at the fin tip.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the assumptions made about boundary conditions and the potential complexity introduced by unknown variables in the equations. The discussion does not resolve the best approach for finding the particular solution of the ODE.

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I am trying to solve an advanced heat transfer problem and I have a 2nd order ODE. I can solve the homogeneous solution easily, but I am having trouble with the non-homogeneous solution.

Homework Statement


Given a turbine blade and asked to model as a one-dimensional fin, subject to the following constraints:

Troot = 900 deg F
Lfin = 3.6 in
A = 0.506 in^2
Tg (external gas flowing over the fin/blade) = 1500 deg F
Pfin = 2.1 in
k = 8.1 BTU/hr ft deg F
h = 36.6 BTU/hr ft^2 deg F

There is a small element dx with the following thermal energy in/out of it: qx coming out in the negative x-direction, qg into it from the ambient and q(x+dx) coming into the element. At the root, there is a value q0 transferring into the disk through conduction. The temperature along the length of the blade is a function of x.

Homework Equations



Energy balance on small element dx

The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I have so far:
qin = qout
h[T(x) - Tg]Pdx + [(qx - ∂qx/∂x)A] = - qxA
h[T(x) - Tg]P + ∂qx/∂x*A = 0
h[T(x) - Tg]P + ∂/∂x{-k∂T(x)/∂x}A = 0
h[T(x) - Tg]P - k (∂2T/∂x2)A = 0
d2T/dx2 - (hP/Ak)*T(x) = -(hP/Ak)*Tg

I know that the solution to this non-homogeneous ODE is a combination of the complimentary solution and the particular solution. The roots of the homogeneous ODE yield:

r = +/- (hP/Ak)^1/2

Therefore the complementary portion of the solution is

T(x) = C1e^(hP/Ak)^0.5 + C2e^(hP/Ak)^0.5

I'm stuck now trying to find the particular solution. I am not sure which method to use. I tried variation of parameters but I can't seem to get something that makes sense. I know I should end up with a hyperbolic function, but I'm stuck. Any ideas?
 
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MechanicalMan said:
I am trying to solve an advanced heat transfer problem and I have a 2nd order ODE. I can solve the homogeneous solution easily, but I am having trouble with the non-homogeneous solution.


Homework Statement


Given a turbine blade and asked to model as a one-dimensional fin, subject to the following constraints:

Troot = 900 deg F
Lfin = 3.6 in
A = 0.506 in^2
Tg (external gas flowing over the fin/blade) = 1500 deg F
Pfin = 2.1 in
k = 8.1 BTU/hr ft deg F
h = 36.6 BTU/hr ft^2 deg F

There is a small element dx with the following thermal energy in/out of it: qx coming out in the negative x-direction, qg into it from the ambient and q(x+dx) coming into the element. At the root, there is a value q0 transferring into the disk through conduction. The temperature along the length of the blade is a function of x.


Homework Equations



Energy balance on small element dx


The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I have so far:
qin = qout
h[T(x) - Tg]Pdx + [(qx - ∂qx/∂x)A] = - qxA
Shouldn't this be
h[Tg - T(x)] P dx + qx A = [ qx - (dqx/dx) dx ]A
I.e.,
Heat in from ambient
+ Heat in from the +x side
= Heat out the -x side​

You seem to have some of your +/- signs off, plus there was a dx term missing in the "Heat out" expression. Also, partial derivatives don't apply since x is the only dependent variable.

h[T(x) - Tg]P + ∂qx/∂x*A = 0
h[T(x) - Tg]P + ∂/∂x{-k∂T(x)/∂x}A = 0
h[T(x) - Tg]P - k (∂2T/∂x2)A = 0
d2T/dx2 - (hP/Ak)*T(x) = -(hP/Ak)*Tg
I agree with this, so it looks like you just had some typos in posting your earlier part of the calculation.

I know that the solution to this non-homogeneous ODE is a combination of the complimentary solution and the particular solution. The roots of the homogeneous ODE yield:

r = +/- (hP/Ak)^1/2

Therefore the complementary portion of the solution is

T(x) = C1e^(hP/Ak)^0.5 + C2e^(hP/Ak)^0.5
I don't know if you really meant to write it this way. Where is the negative-root solution? Where is the x in the exponent terms?

I'm stuck now trying to find the particular solution. I am not sure which method to use. I tried variation of parameters but I can't seem to get something that makes sense. I know I should end up with a hyperbolic function, but I'm stuck. Any ideas?

Since there are two constants to find (C1 and C2), we need two boundary conditions. An obvious one is the temperature at the base of the fin. Another one would relate to the heat transfer at the fin tip. Find equations to express those conditions, and you should be able to get C1 and C2.
 
Redbelly98 said:
Shouldn't this be
h[Tg - T(x)] P dx + qx A = [ qx - (dqx/dx) dx ]A
I.e.,
Heat in from ambient
+ Heat in from the +x side
= Heat out the -x side​

You seem to have some of your +/- signs off, plus there was a dx term missing in the "Heat out" expression. Also, partial derivatives don't apply since x is the only dependent variable.


I agree with this, so it looks like you just had some typos in posting your earlier part of the calculation.


I don't know if you really meant to write it this way. Where is the negative-root solution? Where is the x in the exponent terms?



Since there are two constants to find (C1 and C2), we need two boundary conditions. An obvious one is the temperature at the base of the fin. Another one would relate to the heat transfer at the fin tip. Find equations to express those conditions, and you should be able to get C1 and C2.

Thanks, I did make some typos in the original statement, which is why it may seem off at some points. I did miss the negative root and I did miss the x in the exponent of my original post. I have the boundary conditions, but my only concern is that if I relate the heat transfer by convection at the tip to the conduction through the fin, I'll have an expression that is dependent on x. I do not know what T(L) is, so if I make that substitution, do I not just complicate the problem even more?
 
MechanicalMan said:
I do not know what T(L) is, so if I make that substitution, do I not just complicate the problem even more?
That's right, T(L) is not one of the boundary conditions.

Consider the dx element at the very tip of the fin. What is qx entering into that element (from the x+ direction)?
 
Redbelly98 said:
That's right, T(L) is not one of the boundary conditions.

Consider the dx element at the very tip of the fin. What is qx entering into that element (from the x+ direction)?

I managed to solve the problem, and after pages and pages of algebra, I have the solution in terms of hyperbolic functions. Thanks for the tips.
 

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