I Air Breakdown With 980nm Laser: 1microsec/250mW

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A discussion on achieving air breakdown with a 980nm laser focused on the feasibility of using a 1 microsecond pulsed 250mW laser compared to a higher energy example that achieved breakdown with 50 millijoules at 5 nanoseconds. The need for faster pulses was questioned, and the potential benefits of using lower wavelength UV light for better ionization chances were explored. A participant shared experiences of high-power CO2 lasers capable of air breakdown, emphasizing the complexity and cost of such setups. Suggestions included using simpler methods like spark gaps for demonstration purposes. The conversation highlighted the importance of creativity and research in STEM, encouraging continued exploration and learning.
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So i have been looking at a 1microsecond pulsed 250milliwatt 980nm laser. I watched a video where a guy outputed 50millijoules at 5 nanoseconds and achieved air breakdown. I am wondering since maybe mine is higher energy it will do the same or i need faster pulses?
 
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reese houseknecht said:
So i have been looking at a 1microsecond pulsed 250milliwatt 980nm laser. I watched a video where a guy outputed 50millijoules at 5 nanoseconds and achieved air breakdown. I am wondering since maybe mine is higher energy it will do the same or i need faster pulses?
The second example used a power of: Energy/Time = (50x10^-3) / (5x10^-9) = 10MW
This greatly more than your 250mW.
 
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The output is 250000W not 250mW sorry about that
 
In the video of the guy that achieved air breakdown he used 2 lasers focus to one beam, would tgat help my case
 
reese houseknecht said:
In the video of the guy that achieved air breakdown
what video ?
please give a link :smile:
 

You have to read the description cause the video is just the ionization
 
if i have a lower nm wavelength like UV and a little bit of a lower W per pulse, since there are more electron volts per photon will i have a better chance at ionizing?
 
reese houseknecht said:
if i have a lower nm wavelength like UV and a little bit of a lower W per pulse, since there are more electron volts per photon will i have a better chance at ionizing?
I saw a large, high power CO2 laser at a trade show once, breaking down air with pulses about every 10 seconds. Very impressive. The laser and its support equipment were about the size of a small car, and the setup probably cost $100,000 or more. This is not really a project for a high school student. Maybe when you get to university and start helping out in the laser lab, you will get to work with high power lasers like that (and you will have experienced people teaching you about laser safety).

Probably for your current project, you should just make something that looks like it is ionizing air (use a spark gap at the focus position).
 
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Heres te thing though and i know this sounds dumb. I always like to create new things, finding better ways for things to work. Everything can be make better, cheaper. Yes i am a kid but I believe if put enough research in i can find a better way. Call me dumb but look at how many thing thought couldn't be better or cheaper and now they are. Just like the computer for example, the basics of a computer back in the early days before you could buy one for personal use they were 1000s of dollars. Now you can get one for 200 or less. Now i know i might not be able to drop the price significantly but a dollar is a dollar and they add up. Also i am typing a paper completely on photoionization, all the processes and all that so if i can't achieve it someone else can.
 
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Call me dumb
No reason to! There's nothing wrong with being interested in STEM and being creative and curious. Keep on learning and keep on making things to help your learning.

Slightly off-topic -- have you seen the movie "Real Genius"? I think you would enjoy it a lot. Check it out if you haven't seen it already. It's one of my favorite movies... :biggrin:

 

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