Algebra and square root simplification

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The discussion focuses on simplifying the equation derived from the scenario of an explosion heard at two points, A and B, which are 10 km apart. The equation to solve is √((x − 5)² + y²) - √((x + 5)² + y²) = 6. Participants emphasize the need to isolate the square root terms and square both sides of the equation multiple times to eliminate the roots. There is confusion regarding the algebraic manipulation, as incorrect signs and terms lead to a non-hyperbolic result. Ultimately, the correct approach involves careful squaring and simplification to derive the equation of a hyperbola.
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Homework Statement



Points A and B are 10 km apart and it is determined from the sound of an explosion heard at those points at different times that the location of the explosion is 6 km closer to A than B. Show that the location of the explosion is restricted to a particular curve and find an equation of it.

Homework Equations


√((x − 5)2 + y2) - √((x + 5)2 + y2) = 6


The Attempt at a Solution



i must simplify this to get x2/9 - y2/16 = 1

it is a hyperbola i guess

i applied (a-b)^2 = a^2 -2ab +b^2

if i square both sides i am still getting square root because 2ab is twice the product of 1st and 2nd roots which is again a root

if i square both sides again i still get a root

if i bring one root to the other side and square both sides still i am getting a root

how do i cancel the roots
 
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smart_worker said:
√(x − 5)2 + y2 + √(x + 5)2 + y2 = 6
(For the purposes of the template, this is part of the problem statement, not a 'relevant equation'.)
I presume you mean √((x − 5)2 + y2) + √((x + 5)2 + y2) = 6
After squaring both sides there will only be one square root term. Isolate that on one side of the equation and square again.
 
haruspex said:
Isolate that on one side of the equation and square again.

if i do that the result i am getting is
x4 + 51x2 + 52y2x2 + y2 + y4 + 632 = 0

which is not a hyperbola i guess
 
smart_worker said:
if i do that the result i am getting is
x4 + 51x2 + 52y2x2 + y2 + y4 + 632 = 0

which is not a hyperbola i guess

Funny, I didn't notice the problem statement before - only saw the equation you posted. Did you add the problem statement in an edit? I may have had a stale window.
So actually the equation should be in the attempt at solution section.
Anyway, it is wrong. Think about the signs.
 
smart_worker said:
if i do that the result i am getting is
x4 + 51x2 + 52y2x2 + y2 + y4 + 632 = 0

which is not a hyperbola i guess

It isn't anything, since the left side is positive and the right side is zero.
 
haruspex said:
Did you add the problem statement in an edit?

yes i did

i changed the signs,instead of + it must be -
but still the result i am getting is x^4 + 51x^2 + 52y^2 x^2 + y^2 + y^4 + 632 = 0
 
smart_worker said:
yes i did

i changed the signs,instead of + it must be -
but still the result i am getting is x^4 + 51x^2 + 52y^2 x^2 + y^2 + y^4 + 632 = 0
Then you've made a mistake in the algebra. Starting from
√((x − 5)2 + y2) - √((x + 5)2 + y2) = 6
all the x4, y4 and x2y2 terms should cancel.
If still stuck, please post all your working.
 
The original equation in post #1 was edited, and is now as follows:
smart_worker said:
√((x − 5)2 + y2) - √((x + 5)2 + y2) = 6
This looks fine to me.

1. Moved one of the radicals to the other side and then square both sides.
2. Simplify the resulting equation. (Many terms drop out.)
3. Leave the radical where it is, and move the other terms to the other side.
4. Square both sides again.

The resulting equation is what you want.
 
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