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The discussion centers on the potential ecological impact of a proposed method to control pigeon populations in urban areas, particularly Hollywood. Concerns are raised about the lack of consideration for collateral damage to other bird species, including endangered ones, and the broader implications for the ecosystem. Participants express skepticism about the effectiveness and safety of the method, questioning whether it could inadvertently harm other wildlife, such as rats and mice, and disrupt food chains. There are worries about the potential for hormonal substances to enter water systems, affecting a wider range of species. The need for thorough studies in each city before implementation is emphasized to ensure that other bird populations are not adversely affected. Overall, the discussion highlights significant environmental concerns regarding the proposed pigeon control strategy.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070730/ap_on_sc/hollywood_pigeons;_ylt=Aps05PxEaRMwQ1_iWqisBBCs0NUE

I wonder if there is a similar way, that can be cheaply produced, to control rats/mice as well?
 
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And when other birds start eating from the feeders as well?

Maybe some endagered species, it would be nice to get rid of them too, huh?
 
That could pose a problem. How many endangered species of bird are there in downtown new york?
 
I don't know, but the report doesn't mention any consideration of collateral damage. Studies would have to be done for each city it was implemented in, to make sure you aren't harming other bird populations.
 
I'm concerned about the effects on other species too. I wonder if the thing only works on pigeons.

If the hormones enter watercourses they could affect a much wider area (& range of birds) than intended.
 
I agree. What do pidgeons feed on? Trash? Insects? Would then the trash in the city increase? The insect population? Do the pidgeons feed any other animals? Rats? Will other animals dependent on the pidgeon population become more invasive due to a changing eco system?

I guess we let hollywood try first and see what happens.
 
I don't think this is a particularly great idea for some of the reasons mentioned by others. Doesn't seem like too much thought went into the idea.
 
Healey01 said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070730/ap_on_sc/hollywood_pigeons;_ylt=Aps05PxEaRMwQ1_iWqisBBCs0NUE

I wonder if there is a similar way, that can be cheaply produced, to control rats/mice as well?
It interferes with hatching of eggs, so wouldn't be useful for mammals I don't think...but I'm not sure the mechanism, so it may interfere in some way with the oocytes...but if it can affect rats and mice, then it's also going to affect other mammals.

NeoDevin said:
And when other birds start eating from the feeders as well?

Maybe some endagered species, it would be nice to get rid of them too, huh?

NeoDevin said:
I don't know, but the report doesn't mention any consideration of collateral damage. Studies would have to be done for each city it was implemented in, to make sure you aren't harming other bird populations.

I'd be very concerned about the same thing. You have no control over what species land on rooftops. I don't know enough about this stuff, but it sounds like something that would affect any bird species that ingests it (and I really have no idea what effect it might have on any other species).
 
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